Re: [edu-discuss] Is the EDU team ossified?

[John C Klensin <[e-mail]>]

--On Thursday, March 28, 2013 08:41 -0500 Spencer Dawkins
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>> If I were to take a survey I would rate the newcomers
>> presentation as helpful and assume that I have to learn all
>> of that before I can do anything in the IETF.
> 
> If you're asking for a First-time Attendees Survival tutorial,
> which doesn't tell you as much as the existing Newcomers
> Orientation does, but is focused on making sure you have as
> productive an IETF week as it's possible for a newcomer to
> have ... that could be interesting.
> 
> It might also interact with the pairing-up that was proposed
> immediately after IETF 86, so probably asking in a broader
> context than edu-discuss.

It might also interact with some other comments made in that set
of conversations.  If we believe, and are willing to admit to
newcomers, that no one can be expected to be fully up to speed
at their first meeting, especially if they haven't participated
significantly on-list, then:

	* Perhaps what you refer to as a survival guide might be
	appropriate for Sunday afternoon or early Monday morning.
	
	* Perhaps most of the current tutorial could better be
	left for a second meeting or for Thursday evening or
	Friday morning of the first one.  That would give the
	first-timers the opportunity to observe both plenaries
	and some WG sessions, letting that tutorial more about
	providing context and advice.  In the current schedule,
	it seems to me that there is a lot more material in it
	that won't make much sense without at least some of that
	context.

If those two tutorials were done by different people, it would
give the newcomers exposure to more than one perspective.  That
would also be a good idea, IMO.

> The current orientation is pretty comprehensive, it's stuff
> that I hope IETF attendees learn eventually, but as I think
> you're saying, you don't have to know everything in the
> tutorial to get started on Monday morning of IETF week.

Exactly.
   john