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Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Review of draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-06

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 30 October 2020 00:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Review of draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-06
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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> This is definitely the kind of data collection experiment that we should do.
    >>
    >> We need to tell people about this, because it might be important for people
    >> to know that from date X, if your ML posting address is not listed as an alias
    >> in the DT, then your posting won't get counted.  So, please go fix your DT
    >> entries.

    > I'm all in favour of experimenting with this sort of thing. But not within the
    > timescale of getting the current draft approved, so that people know what the
    > criteria will be well in advance of next year's NomCom process.

a) I agree that it can't go in as a criteria.
b) Ted is right, you said this six months ago.
c) I said a few months ago, that I wanted to collect a set of things that we
   thought about, but aren't doing now.  But that people should be aware of
   them.

"Tell me how you'll measure me, and I'll tell you how I'll act".
(I heard this attributed to W Edwards Deming, but the quotation cites don't agree)

So, if we can't collect the things possible into this document, do they go
into another document?  And if so, does it get published, or just talked
about loudly?

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
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