Re: [Eligibility-discuss] some numbers

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 22 April 2020 20:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] some numbers
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On 23-Apr-20 07:31, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net <mailto:resnick@episteme.net>> wrote:
>> The "last 5 in-person IETF meetings" will always be 102, 103, 104, 105, and 106 until we have another in-person IETF meeting. The result for who ends up eligible would be increasingly non-useful, but it is true that we'll have 647 people who will be eligible for a really long time.
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> That amounts to disenfranchising all new participants.
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> I wonder how many relative newcomers who signed the blue sheets for IETF 107 or a subsequent interim are not eligible.

The problem here (at the moment) is getting a reliable database of those signatures. If Mickey Mouse "signs" the blue sheet portion of an Etherpad for a few sessions, he will become eligible.

We'd need a sign-in system based on datatracker logins. That doesn't sound like an impossible dream, but it's also probably more than a few lines of Python.

We could mock up such a database by doing a sort-merge of the lists in the IETF 107 Etherpads and manually checking for bogons, but I don't think that would tell us much.

    Brian