Re: [Eligibility-discuss] RFC criterion [was ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs for Path 3]
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Wed, 31 August 2022 18:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] RFC criterion [was ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs for Path 3]
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--On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 09:10 -0400 Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote: > > <NOHATS> > > John C Klensin <john@jck.com> wrote: > > --On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 20:51 -0400 Michael > Richardson > <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote: > > >> ... I note that we don't have a lot of comments about > Path 2! ADs >> could pad the list by appointing lots of > secretaries. Why aren't we >> worried about that? > > > Because a few would not make much difference, most of > them would (again > and as you have pointed out) be picked > up by other criteria, and, if a > particular AD started > appointing lots of secretaries who were not doing > that > job or participating in other ways, I assume the community > would > hold it against them, possibly to the point of > starting recall > proceedings but certainly at the "tell > it to the Nomcom" level :-). > > Do the the same considerations apply to WG chairs that add a > lot contributors to documents? I would think so. Remembering that WG Chairs rarely change the documents themselves and that, if one were to do so, the author(s) would be notified at posting time, I'd expect any author who was victimized in that way (i.e., not fully complicit) to immediately complain to the WG and/or initiate a formal appeal of the action. Unless there were special circumstances they were prepared to explain to the rest of the IESG and/or the community, I would also expect the responsible AD to either rapidly engage in some reeducation for the relevant WG Chair or fire them. So, again, I'm having trouble seeing a problem in this area that is worth the energy that has gone into it already. >... best, john
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- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Considering I-D contrib… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Salz, Rich
- [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs for… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs… John C Klensin
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs… John C Klensin
- [Eligibility-discuss] RFC criterion [was ISE vs I… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] RFC criterion [was ISE … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] RFC criterion [was ISE … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] RFC criterion [was ISE … John C Klensin
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] RFC criterion [was ISE … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] RFC criterion [was ISE … John C Klensin
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New ELEGY working group… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] ISE vs IETF Stream RFCs… Michael Richardson