Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-05.txt

[Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]>]

Hi Eric,

 

Bron Gondwana <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> > wrote:
    > 1) we should not include remote participants for IETF106 and earlier.
    > They did not have an expectation of eligibility.  I hold this very
    > weakly and would be easily persuaded to change my mind!

I was going to post the same thing.

    > 2) we should include remote participants for IETF110 (and any future
    > IETFs if this document is renewed) regardless of whether there is a
    > face-to-face component.

I can live with this, but I believe that this is what the other paths are for.
to be clear: I don't think that we should count remote attendees when there
is a face-to-face meeting.

 

I agree with Michael. The reason we are making this adjustment is because we are not having in-person meetings. If we have in-person meetings again, we can of course decide to include remote people, but that's not a decision we should take now.

 

[AF] Well, I guess I disagree with Michael once, and you twice.

 

I am fine with not including remote attendees at previous in-person meetings, but we have to handle future meetings.

 

The question about counting remote attendees when there is a face-to-face meeting is significantly about enfranchisement and also about the future direction of the IETF. It is, IMHO, a very important question to consider if the IETF is to continue to claim to be an open and accessible body.

 

Whether *this* document needs to consider in-person meetings depends on whether there is any prospect of there being an in-person meeting during the period of this experiment. I think this remains possible (if unlikely). It is certain that if there is an in-person meeting in the near future, attendance will be significantly limited – many people will not be allowed to travel depending on governmental rules, company policies, and insurance limitations; others will not want to travel for their own safety. In that case, we will have a distinctly partial face-to-face meeting and we have to decide (now) how those who don’t attend in person will be treated.

 

Since this experiment is of limited duration and the number of people who might be included by this measure is small, I wonder what the risks are that predicate against including them?

 

Thanks,

Adrian