Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review different size limits
Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Sun, 18 July 2021 23:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review different size limits
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> --On Saturday, July 17, 2021 19:06 -0700 Ned Freed > <ned.freed@mrochek.com> wrote: > >> Actually, given an 8BITMIME message and a nexthop SMTP server > >> that does not support 8BITMIME, Postfix will in fact (by > >> default) do on the fly MIME quotable-printable encoding. > > > >> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#disable_mime_outpu > >> t_conversion > > > > Our MTA defaults to this as well. But it's trivial to switch > > off, and I have no way of knowing how many sites do so. > Completely out of curiosity, as the amount of traffic that does > not use Latin script increases (IMO, quoted-printable is far > less useful when most of the characters are outside the ASCII > repertoire), do either of you do the fairly minimal analysis > needed to decide when Base64 would be more compact and no less > useful? In our case it depends on when the downgrade occurs. If we're doing it on the fly with an open SMTP connection we just go with a default; we don't do the analysis. If we're doing it earlier when we have the data we do the calculation and pick the better encoding. > Or provide a switch s.t. if encoding is to be done, > Base64 might be preferred by the configuration instead of > quoted-printable? It seems like that might be worthwhile if > one were carrying a significant amount of non-Latin-script, > traffic. I've had storing the analysis results on the to-do list literally for decades. But it's never been a sufficient issue that it's ever budged from its position near the bottom of the list. At this point it's unlikely it ever will. > of course, none of this has anything to do with changes that > might be needed in rfc5321bis, AFAICT. No, it doesn't. Ned
- [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review different s… Todd Herr
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Todd Herr
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Michael Peddemors
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] encodings, was Ticket #14: G.7.8.… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] encodings, was Ticket #14: G.7.8.… Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #14: G.7.8. Review differe… Gene Hightower