Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of header fields that are Ok to add after submission
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Mon, 26 July 2021 02:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of header fields that are Ok to add after submission
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--On Sunday, 25 July, 2021 21:25 -0400 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > It appears that John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> said: >> Or you could convince the WG to tell me to go ahead and >> create a normative reference to 5598 5598 to and use the >> exception procedure, but I imagine some of us would argue >> that would be tantamount to moving standards track and hence >> out of charter. > > Yikes. If we make this list of headers, it's not going to be > normative, since we can't retroacively clean up 40 years of > practice, and while 5598 is a useful model of the way mail > systems work, there's a lot of places where theory and > practice don't exactly match.\ Exactly. > Many headers are ideally created by MUAs but in practice added > by MSAs, so they get listed both places. There's also overlap > between MTA and MDA depending on how a mail system is built. > > I still don't understand what problem this exercise would be > solving. Speaking personally only, agreed. For me that created a situation in which IANA should insist on my precise definitions to run even a piece of a registry and getting to those definitions --with theory and practice matching-- is likely to be sufficient trouble that the benefits and problem being solved had best be _very_ clear. best, john
- [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of header … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Michael Peddemors
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… John R Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… John C Klensin
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… John Levine
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Ned Freed
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #8: Need a registry of hea… John Levine