Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF?
joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Thu, 30 June 2016 04:50 UTC
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Subject: Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF?
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On 6/28/16 8:10 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Sure. But your two statements (in the first paragraph) use each of > the conditional 'may'. What is the reason to use YANG on the devices? > The SDN paradigm does not AFAIK make assumptions about using a > specific protocol or DML at the device management level. YANG comes > at a certain cost (bits on wire, memory). Maybe this is affordable, > or maybe YANG is needed for other reasons, but this needs to be shown > explicitely. Signaling presumes in some utility is derived from coordination. If I have a ten year primary battery or I'm a space probe headed to alpha centuri I'm not going to devote a lot of electrons to expressing my power consumption or battery condition. More active or particularly coordinated groups of devices such as the elements of a BST or a datacenter might well have information to share. > Regards, > > Dan > > >> -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Petrescu >> [mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 >> 5:55 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Rolf Winter; Nadeau Thomas Cc: >> eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? >> >> The SDN paradigm may be applied not just to switches but to >> smartphones. Further, a tool like CoMI (CoAP Management Interface) >> may make use of YANG models on IoT devices which are typically >> constrained on battery. >> >> Yesterday I read about an NB-IoT LPWA device from u-blox which runs >> on a battery for 10 years. >> >> Alex >> >> Le 02/06/2016 à 11:20, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) a écrit : >>> No, RFC 7577 defines an SMIv2 MIB. >>> >>> Before engaging in a discussion about 'let us do EMAN data >>> modelling in YANG' I would like to see a use case - i.e. an >>> example of an energy monitoring system that uses YANG for >>> reporting energy information. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: eman >>>> [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:22 AM To: Rolf Winter; Nadeau >>>> Thomas Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] energy-specific >>>> efforts at IETF? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 02/06/2016 à 10:18, Rolf Winter a écrit : >>>>> Is there anything that the EMAN work is not addressing or >>>>> that requires new protocol work? >>>> >>>> For my clarification - is the battery monitoring MIB RFC7577 >>>> using YANG? >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Nadeau Thomas >>>> <tnadeau@lucidvision.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Not that I know of in the form of an official working >>>>>> group. EMAN was >>>> shut down something like a year ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Tom >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2016:8:34 AM, at 8:34 AM, Alexandre Petrescu >>>> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there any other effort focusing on energy consumption >>>>>>> happening at >>>> IETF currently? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am interested in aspects related to energy consumption >>>>>>> of IP networks >>>> used to deliver video streams. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alex Petrescu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 09/06/2015 à 05:01, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) a >>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>> Thanks to all the WG chairs for shepherding the IETF >>>>>>>> drafts and taking them to a conclusion. I may not be >>>>>>>> able to travel to Prague. So, enjoy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers Mouli >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Nadeau Thomas <tnadeau@lucidvision.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:tnadeau@lucidvision.com>> Date: Saturday, 6 >>>>>>>> June 2015 2:22 AM To: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" >>>>>>>> <bclaise@cisco.com <mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>> Cc: eman >>>>>>>> mailing list <eman@ietf.org <mailto:eman@ietf.org>>, >>>>>>>> "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org >>>>>>>> <mailto:eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org>" >>>>>>>> <eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org >>>>>>>> <mailto:eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org>> Subject: Re: >>>>>>>> [eman] Status of the EMAN W.G. effort. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Beers are on you! 8) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2015:4:46 PM, at 4:46 PM, Benoit Claise >>>>>>>>> <bclaise@cisco.com <mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, thanks to the contributors, document editors, WG >>>>>>>>> chairs, previous ADs :-), basically the entire EMAN >>>>>>>>> community. Celebration in Prague? Fine with me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, Benoit >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now that we've crossed the milstone of having >>>>>>>>>> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-11 move to >>>>>>>>>> the RFC editor >>>> queue, >>>>>>>>>> I think we can pause and reflect on the effort that >>>>>>>>>> has completed. >>>> It >>>>>>>>>> took a while to get here and the consensus that we >>>>>>>>>> built was hard >>>> won >>>>>>>>>> but I hope durable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's my intention to close down the working group, >>>>>>>>>> maintaining the mailing list for a time. The >>>>>>>>>> mailing list archive as with other IETF mailing >>>>>>>>>> lists will be preserved. in the immediate sense if >>>>>>>>>> there is >>>> work >>>>>>>>>> around the edges of this space we have the opsawg >>>>>>>>>> working >> group >>>> to >>>>>>>>>> support such activities. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you again for your diligent efforts, >>>>>>>>>> especially the present and former chairs who >>>>>>>>>> shepherded this work to the point that it is at >>>> now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards Joel >>> > _______________________________________________ eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >
- Re: [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Juergen Schoenwaelder
- [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? joel jaeggli
- Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? Alexandre Petrescu
- [eman] Status of the EMAN W.G. effort. joel jaeggli
- Re: [eman] Status of the EMAN W.G. effort. Nadeau Thomas
- Re: [eman] Status of the EMAN W.G. effort. John Parello (jparello)
- Re: [eman] Status of the EMAN W.G. effort. Nadeau Thomas
- Re: [eman] Status of the EMAN W.G. effort. Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [eman] Status of the EMAN W.G. effort. Benoit Claise
- Re: [eman] Status of the EMAN W.G. effort. Nadeau Thomas
- Re: [eman] Status of the EMAN W.G. effort. Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)
- Re: [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Benoit Claise
- Re: [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Rolf Winter
- Re: [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Andy Bierman
- Re: [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [eman] YANG model for battery MIB Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? Nadeau Thomas
- Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? Rolf Winter
- Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [eman] energy-specific efforts at IETF? Romascanu, Dan (Dan)