Re: [EME] EME charter
Saikat Guha <saikat@cs.cornell.edu> Mon, 13 November 2006 18:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [EME] EME charter
From: Saikat Guha <saikat@cs.cornell.edu>
To: Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:06:52 -0500
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On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 21:52 -0800, Joe Touch wrote: > Problem-causing middleboxes don't *want* to be found; they want to be > "transparent". > > Resolving - or prohibiting - that transparency should be included and > addressed. Middleboxes that are _truly transparent_ are not problematic (by definition almost). Translucent middleboxes, on the other hand, should indeed be addressed. One reason such translucent middleboxes exist is that there is no way for the middle to inform the end of policy much less require the end to enforce it (the corporate firewall case). Another reason is that the end cannot effectively direct the middle (the NAT case); perhaps NATs would have been less problematic if source route was a first class citizen in the Internet or DNS names carried end-to-end in packets. To the extent that the lack of middle-to-end and end-to-middle communication prevents middleboxes from being truly transparent (to the app layer) or fully visible (to the network layer), EME resolves to address the problem IMHO. -- Saikat
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