RE: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in the EME charter - need for clarification
"Paul Francis" <francis@cs.cornell.edu> Tue, 14 November 2006 13:22 UTC
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Subject: RE: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in the EME charter - need for clarification
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My interpretation of that sentence is that, in the signaling protocols we design, we should minimize the number of machines that need to get involved in the repair of a failure. Mark Handley may have some additional interpretation. NATs are worse than VCs...there are some failures they can't recover from, period. PF -----Original Message----- From: Rémi Després [mailto:remi.despres@rd-iptech.com] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:45 AM Cc: eme@irtf.org Subject: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in the EME charter - need for clarification The EME charter seems to me very pertinent, and I like its clarification of some real problems. Although I have been involved in Internet protocols for years, and have been active in the 70s.on virtual circuits (by the way operational worldwide, and very successful, in the 80s-early 90s), I don't understand the sentence of the charter: which says "Candidate protocols should avoid falling into the virtual circuit trap, where routers lose the ability to remedy failures locally". Could anyone, clarify what is meant? In particular,: is it understood that NATs have fallen into that trap, or have avoided it ? Thanks. Rémi Després _______________________________________________ EME mailing list EME@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eme _______________________________________________ EME mailing list EME@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eme
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