[EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in the EME charter - need for clarification
Rémi Després <remi.despres@rd-iptech.com> Thu, 09 November 2006 15:45 UTC
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiC5s-0007Vk-E0; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:45:32 -0500
Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiC5q-0007Uz-VA for eme@irtf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:45:30 -0500
Received: from smtp8.orange.fr ([193.252.22.23] helo=smtp-msa-out08.orange.fr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiC5p-0008DP-Mf for eme@irtf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:45:30 -0500
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (APuteaux-152-1-87-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.205.84.249]) by mwinf0803.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 44B201C00193 for <eme@irtf.org>; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:45:28 +0100 (CET)
X-ME-UUID: 20061109154528281.44B201C00193@mwinf0803.orange.fr
Message-ID: <45534D16.8030302@rd-iptech.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:45:26 +0100
From: Rémi Després <remi.despres@rd-iptech.com>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Cc: eme@irtf.org
References: <45533DA6.30206@wanadoo.fr>
In-Reply-To: <45533DA6.30206@wanadoo.fr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f
Subject: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in the EME charter - need for clarification
X-BeenThere: eme@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: end-middle-end research group <eme.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eme>, <mailto:eme-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/eme>
List-Post: <mailto:eme@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:eme-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eme>, <mailto:eme-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: eme-bounces@irtf.org
The EME charter seems to me very pertinent, and I like its clarification of some real problems. Although I have been involved in Internet protocols for years, and have been active in the 70s.on virtual circuits (by the way operational worldwide, and very successful, in the 80s-early 90s), I don't understand the sentence of the charter: which says "Candidate protocols should avoid falling into the virtual circuit trap, where routers lose the ability to remedy failures locally". Could anyone, clarify what is meant? In particular,: is it understood that NATs have fallen into that trap, or have avoided it ? Thanks. Rémi Després _______________________________________________ EME mailing list EME@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eme
- [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in the E… Rémi Després
- Re: [Fwd: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentione… Rémi Després
- RE: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Paul Francis
- Re: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Rémi Després
- Re: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Scott W Brim
- Re: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Rémi Després
- RE: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Paul Francis
- Re: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Rémi Després
- Re: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Rémi Després
- Re: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Rémi Després
- Re: [EME] The virtual circuit trap mentioned in t… Joe Touch
- [EME] transport recovery at the APP layer ? Rémi Després
- [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer ? Joe Touch
- RE: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Joe Touch
- [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer ? Rémi Després
- RE: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Paul Francis
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Rémi Després
- RE: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Paul Francis
- [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer ? Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Yangwoo Ko
- [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer ? Rémi Després
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Saikat Guha
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Mark Baker
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Mark Baker
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Mark Baker
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Saikat Guha
- Re: [EME] Re: transport recovery at the APP layer… Joe Touch
- [EME] Relationship betwen Rémi Després
- [EME] TCP close semantics Rémi Després
- [EME] Re: TCP close semantics Joe Touch
- [EME] Re: TCP close semantics Rémi Després
- Re: [EME] Relationship betwen Lars Eggert