Re: [EME] EME charter
Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com> Mon, 13 November 2006 18:49 UTC
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:40:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [EME] EME charter
From: Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com>
To: Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU>, Saikat Guha <saikat@cs.cornell.edu>
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On 11/13/06 1:29 PM, "Joe Touch" <touch@ISI.EDU> wrote: > The real reason is that some middlebox designer somewhere thought they > knew better than the person at the endpoint about what an E2E > communication was supposed to do. I think a lot of what's driving this has more to do with 1) maladapted business models, and 2) perceptions around security, actually. This is particularly true around voice where on the one hand there's a higher level of comfort with control plane/data plane separation and on the other a tendency to solve problems that crop up by dropping more stuff into the network (and granted, it's a lot easier to add new things than it is to remove or change existing ones). The enterprise case is somewhat more complicated since there's a different relationship with users (they aren't customers in the traditional sense) and there's a different relationship to the network's assets. I think that a lot of what's going wrong on networks today, at least around middleboxes, has economic roots rather than technical ones. I don't have a clue what to do about that. Melinda _______________________________________________ EME mailing list EME@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eme
- Re: [EME] EME charter Melinda Shore
- Re: [EME] EME charter Fergie
- Re: [EME] EME charter Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] EME charter Fergie
- Re: [EME] EME charter Melinda Shore
- [EME] EME charter Tilman Wolf
- Re: [EME] EME charter Jefsey_Morfin
- Re: [EME] EME charter Fergie
- Re: [EME] EME charter Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] EME charter Yangwoo Ko
- Re: [EME] EME charter Fergie
- RE: [EME] EME charter Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [EME] EME charter Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] EME charter Saikat Guha
- Re: [EME] EME charter Melinda Shore
- Re: [EME] EME charter Saikat Guha
- Re: [EME] EME charter Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] EME charter Melinda Shore
- Re: [EME] EME charter Joe Touch
- Re: [EME] EME charter Saikat Guha
- Re: [EME] EME charter Melinda Shore
- Re: [EME] EME charter Joe Touch
- RE: [EME] EME charter Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [EME] EME charter Paul Francis