Re: [Emu] EMU Meetings

Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> Tue, 18 January 2022 13:01 UTC

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On Jan 15, 2022, at 6:12 AM, John Mattsson <john.mattsson=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> - The adopted draft-ietf-emu-tls-eap-types and draft-ietf-emu-aka-pfs seems to be more or less done, very important, and need to progess.

  Agreed.

> - ACE WG seems to be done with draft-ietf-ace-wg-coap-eap. Would be good if more people from EMU WG reviewed this before it goes to IESG.

  I don't understand that one.  Reading the document doesn't clear up a lot for me.

> - There is a large amount of suggested work that might or not fit in the current charter. At some point we should discuss if and how to recharter.
>  
>    draft-arkko-emu-rfc3748bis

  I heard significant opposition to that at the last EMU meeting.  I don't see a compelling reason to rev 3748.

>    draft-dekok-emu-eap-usability

  That's had little discussion.  Recent updates to Passpoint (XML config file, pretty much as proposed by Stefan Winter) make it less relevant.  But it could still be useful.

>    draft-lear-eap-teap-brski

  I have no comments here.

>    draft-mattsson-emu-eap-tls-psk

  This needs a bit of fleshing out.  If we do PSK / password checking in the TLS layer, then the users identity must be public, which compromises privacy.

  I'm not sure how this is preferable to TTLS + PAP.

>    draft-ingles-eap-edhoc

  That seems useful for limited situations (i.e. IoT).  It also has issues with publicizing identities.

>    draft-chen-emu-eap-tls-ibs

  I have the same comments as above.

  Alan DeKok.