Re: [Emu] I-D Action: draft-ietf-emu-tls-eap-types-09.txt

Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> Fri, 28 October 2022 15:35 UTC

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On Oct 28, 2022, at 10:49 AM, John Mattsson <john.mattsson=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> A small nit:
> OLD and tje
> NEW and the

  I'll fix that, thanks.

> PEAP and SHA-1:
> Looks like Microsoft is planning to stick with SHA-1 for PEAP 1.3 [PEAP-PRF]. I think that is the wrong choice. NIST recently stated that they plan to deprecate and eventually disallow _all_ uses of SHA-1. In the end, this is Microsoft’s choice, but I think the fact that PEAP 1.3 still uses SHA-1 should be mentioned in draft-ietf-emu-tls-eap-types. This is important information for people and industries following requirements to disallow all uses of SHA-1.

  It's not so much "Microsoft planning" as this was discussed in EMU years ago, and the WG consensus was to stick with SHA-1.

  The current code is shipping in multiple servers and supplicants.  It cannot realistically be changed at this time.

  If NIST deprecates SHA-1, then we can define PEAP (version n+1), and rely on PEAP version negotiation to fix the issue.

  Alan DeKok.