Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for client cert validation logic
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sat, 18 January 2020 15:28 UTC
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To: Ryan Sleevi <ryan-ietf@sleevi.com>
Cc: Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com>, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>, EMU WG <emu@ietf.org>, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "Owen Friel (ofriel)" <ofriel@cisco.com>, "spasm@ietf.org" <spasm@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for client cert validation logic
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Hiya, On 18/01/2020 15:14, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > The only way you sort through those is to make sure the only two parties > are you and the CA - aka defining a root store. I disagree. PKI inherently has 3 parties involved. Ignoring any one or two of them is what I think leads to the kind of silliness that results in us even mentioning possible mass revocation because of an ill-defined OID. Heartbleed might just about have justified that, this very much does not. I do fully agree with you that the idea that end entities ever read a CP/CPS is about as realistic as "click yes to accept cookies" or other similar things being meaningful. Sadly, such legal nonsense does seem to be required but we ought not let it drive what we do - in this case, IMO the blindingly obviously correct thing to do is to recognise the reality of the use of the OID and regularise that. But if that's not going to happen, then the 2nd best (and 99.999% just as good) thing to do is to happily continue to ignore the supposed problem. Cheers, S.
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- [Emu] EAP/EMU recommendations for client cert val… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] EAP/EMU recommendations for client cert… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Emu] EAP/EMU recommendations for client cert… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Eliot Lear (elear)
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Eliot Lear (elear)
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Joseph Salowey
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Eliot Lear (elear)
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Mohit Sethi M
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… David B. Nelson
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Russ Housley
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Peter Bowen
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… David B. Nelson
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… David B. Nelson
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for cli… Phillip Hallam-Baker