Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext
Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> Mon, 08 September 2014 21:35 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext
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TLS has enabled e-commerce which is generally held responsible for adding an extra trillion dollars a year to global GDP. Email security is not going to be so dramatic but it allows a lot of the holes in the e-commerce interface to be filled in. And that could be worth a few percent extra growth of e-commerce. Lets say it is 1 percent, or rather, lets say that we can make people think it is 1 percent. That is ten billion dollars a year. 1% of that is a hundred million and we can buy a lot of servers and other infrastructure with that. If we get the security in the specs we can easily make transactions machine readable. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Brandon Long <blong@google.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote: >> > Let's talk constraints for a moment. Does the problem get easier if we >> > say, “let's not even attempt to address transactional email”, and focus >> > exclusively on h2h? Also, is it a goal to completely do away with >> > spam? Is that a non-goal? >> >> Transactional mail is the easiest to do and has the biggest payoff. So >> no, not doing it does not help in the slightest. >> >> I don't think we are going to be using this scheme to complete >> transactions. But it has to be possible to use it for applications >> such as: >> >> * Correspondence between lawyers and clients. >> * Sending statements for bank and brokerage accounts. >> * Sending invoices. > > In particular, it would be great if we could "solve" the problem such that entities are willing to send things via email that they currently won't. For example, my bank won't send me a copy of my monthly statement to my email address, only a notification to look at it on their site. This "hole" seems to be the largest in the email as the solution to paperless postal mail. > > Brandon
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- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Eliot Lear
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Pete Resnick
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Pete Resnick
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Eliot Lear
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Watson Ladd
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Eliot Lear
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- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Pete Resnick
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John R Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Werner Koch
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- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Leo Vegoda
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John R Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John R Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker