Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and what the IETF could do
Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Mon, 01 September 2014 10:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and what the IETF could do
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:21, tbray@textuality.com said: > This is a big problem. The PGP Web of Trust has failed, and we’ve all heard It did not fail; it is just as inconvenient as paying a CA for a questionable service. Any extra inconveniences are not good for mass use of encrypted mails. > the griping about the CA biz. Joe Hildebrand mentioned POSH & WebFinger > and they’re both interesting. I’m also interested in the notion of a key They requires that you are always online and thus the service provides my track even signature verifications. Without an anonymity guaranteeing infrastructure this may only be an intermediate solution. > 5. Display the message appropriately, depending what it is > This is a problem. Lots of the messages I want to send are movies or songs > or pictures, and if there’s no way to communicate the Media Type, it’s less > useful to the recipient. You mean for the encrypted data or for the cleartext? OpenPGP has a feature to convey the media type - not much options right now but it is easy to extend. Or use the standard way and encrypted the MIME container. Shalom-Salam, Werner p.s. BTW, a few years ago we came up with the http://g10code.com/steed.html proposal. Unfortunately it didn't worked out because the mail providers had zero interest in supporting even a prototype. -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz.
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- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Tim Bray
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Werner Koch
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Werner Koch
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Leo Vegoda
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- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Leo Vegoda
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Adam Caudill
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Tim Bray
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Werner Koch
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Endymail] Another view of the problem and wh… Werner Koch
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