Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Sat, 06 September 2014 16:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext
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On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > While I think it would be fun to talk with the gentleman about his bitcoin > thinking, the key part that I intended for this group was the situational > analysis involving spam and how bad guys behave. Well spam prevention is where a lot of the proof of work stuff got its start. I don't have an implementation for this yet but this is my strategy * An endy-key is a key that is held by an end user at their device. * All mail is encrypted at the message layer when possible but not all mail is encrypted under an endy-key. * Domains may publish keys for use where an endy-key is not available or use is not authorized. * Use of an endy-key has to be specifically authorized. This is because (1) I have to read my mail on every device I use and that isn't practical till I can install decryption keys easily and (2) to enable abuse filtering. * The only normal user interaction here would be identifying mail as spam. * Users with really extreme privacy concerns like Greenwald/Snowden might exchange per user endykeys but this would be the exception, not the rule.
- [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Eliot Lear
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Eliot Lear
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Pete Resnick
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Pete Resnick
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Eliot Lear
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Watson Ladd
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Eliot Lear
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Endymail] where's the end, was spam versus c… John Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] where's the end, was spam versus c… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Endymail] where's the end, was spam versus c… John R Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Pete Resnick
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John R Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Werner Koch
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Brandon Long
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Leo Vegoda
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John R Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext John R Levine
- Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext Dave Crocker