Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext
Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Mon, 08 September 2014 18:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Endymail] spam versus cleartext
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On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 15:53, phill@hallambaker.com said: > to use the Google CA. One of the weaknesses of the PGP model was that > the design ignored the fact that in many circumstances we are in > hierarchical organization structures that the CA model matches very Which was fixed 16 years ago with OpenPGP (RFC-2440). OpenPGP actually provide a superset of the features you require to implement the X.509 model. It does not demand its use as it also does not demand the use of the WoT or any other key validation model - this is all left to the implementation. Both major implementations support the hierarchical model. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz.
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