RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB
Andy Bierman <abierman@cisco.com> Fri, 06 February 2004 16:32 UTC
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:27:19 -0800
To: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>
From: Andy Bierman <abierman@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB
Cc: 'Margaret Wasserman' <margaret@thingmagic.com>, entmib@ietf.org
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At 03:30 AM 2/6/2004, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: >> Given that this is a second WG Last Call for this document, that >> several people reviewed it during the previous WG Last Call, and >> that Sharon did a great job of maintaining an issue list and >> documenting the resolution of each issue, I am planning to interpret >> silence as agreement to send this document to the IESG. >> >I do not want to step on the toes of our WG chair, but yet... >I would actually appreciate if the people who spoke up (a while ago) >that the MIB was too complex, that they do state if they are now >OK with this version! > >PLEASE PARTICIPATE and express your opinion. okay, okay... I do not approve of, or object to, the Entity State MIB going forward. My concerns are regarding the intent of the MIB -- the actual problem being addressed. So I looked to the Entmib WG charter page for guidance. This is all it says about the Entity State MIB: Done Publish state/status extensions as a WG I-D Mar 04 Submit Entity State MIB to the IESG for Proposed Standard Not a word about the problem being addressed. I thought we set out to add an 'operStatus' object for physical entities -- a simple ( green, yellow, red ) status indicator. Applications would still need to know how to use other MIBs to diagnose or correct a fault. IMO, there's not much value in a generic indicator beyond this, so it's best to keep it simple. From the draft: "Objects are defined to capture administrative, operational and usage states. In addition there are further state objects defined to provide additional information for these three basic states." The document clearly attempts to provide more functionality than a simple 'operStatus' object. The authors have done a fine job defining and documenting this functionality. In order to discuss how well a MIB addresses its intended function, we have to agree on the intended function. >Bert Andy >> So, if you have any objection to submitting this document for >> publication as a Proposed Standard, please make that clear >> by Friday. >> >> Thanks, >> Margaret >> >> >> >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:00:59 -0500 >> >To: Entmib@ietf.org >> >From: Margaret Wasserman <margaret@thingmagic.com> >> > >> >Hi All, >> > >> >This is a two week WG Last Call for submitting the Entity State >> >MIB to the IESG for publication as a Proposed Standard. The latest >> >version of this document can be found at: >> > >> >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-02.txt >> > >> >This WG Last Call will end on Friday, February 6th at 5pm EST. >> > >> >Please review the document and forward substantive comments to >> >the mailing list. Editorial comments can be sent directly >> >to the authors. >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Margaret >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Entmib mailing list >> >Entmib@ietf.org >> >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Entmib mailing list >> Entmib@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib >> > >_______________________________________________ >Entmib mailing list >Entmib@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib
- REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB Margaret Wasserman
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Andy Bierman
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Andy Bierman
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Sharon Chisholm
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Sharon Chisholm
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Margaret Wasserman
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- Re: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Subrahmanya Hegde
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- Re: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Subrahmanya Hegde
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Margaret Wasserman
- RE: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Andy Bierman
- Re: REMINDER: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State… Juergen Schoenwaelder