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[72.13.63.41]) by smtp-relay.gmail.com with ESMTPS id y135sm1013182qky.9.2016.01.22.06.09.19 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Jan 2016 06:09:19 -0800 (PST) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01 [10.173.152.205]) by brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u0ME9IHT001027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jan 2016 09:09:18 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 09:09:17 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: Gustavo Lozano , "eppext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-lozano-ietf-eppext-registrar-expiration-date-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHRVII5CddH1x7oPEyvfpfQ7AYzkZ8GX2rQgACTRACAAJ8ckA== Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:09:17 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4A13DDF0@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <20160121193028.13313.82104.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4A133A9D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01D154F4.91A5CA50" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] I-D Action: draft-lozano-ietf-eppext-registrar-expiration-date-00.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:09:21 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D154F4.91A5CA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Lozano [mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org] > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 6:32 PM > To: Hollenbeck, Scott; eppext@ietf.org > Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-lozano-ietf-eppext-registrar-expiration- > date-00.txt > > Scott, > > I don't think it's a good idea to define the meaning of the > registrar registration expiration date in this specification. The > Registrar > Accreditation Agreement 2013 > (https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17- > en#wh > ois) > defines that the Whois output of the Registrar must show the "Registrar > Registration > Expiration Date", and the draft Thick Whois Policy > (https://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/thick-rdds- > consensus-pol > icy-draft-25nov15-en.pdf) > requires this field to be passed to the registry, who in turn will show > it. I will not support publication of an EPP extension RFC that is unclear about the purpose of the extension or the fields that are being added. Something needs to be added to the draft to make that purpose crystal clear. If that means adding text to an external document, fine. However, you do need to answer the questions I asked in my last note. > I have seen domains (e.g. whois -h whois.pir.org pir.org / whois > -h whois.godaddy.com pir.org) in the wild in which the registry > expiration > date > is different from the registrar expiration date. It appears that > sometimes > is > related to an auto-renew that has not been paid by the Registrant, > other > cases > appear to be related to the business model of the registrar, etc. Then this needs to be spelled out in the draft. We can't publish a specification that is unclear about the meaning of the information being exchanged, and we do need to be clear about how that information relates to other information that's currently part of the protocol. I really don't like the idea of standardizing broken or otherwise confusing operational practices. Perhaps the policies and practices should be revised to ensure that the information is consistent. > From the I-D perspective, the registrar registration > expiration date is just another data point with no meaning to the > lifecycle of > the domain name. So what's the point of publishing meaningless data? 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