Re: [ericas] Western, individualist conception of things (was: A suggestion for the Tao of the IETF)

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Fri, 21 June 2013 21:31 UTC

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:21:07 -0700
To: Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh@gmail.com>
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Cc: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, ericas@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [ericas] Western, individualist conception of things (was: A suggestion for the Tao of the IETF)
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Hi Vinayak,

I am posting this message from an email address so that it is easy 
for you to find out who pays me.  You can determine whether my 
employer will derive any benefit from what I say or do.

At 10:14 21-06-2013, Vinayak Hegde wrote:
>Well I wouldn't blame anyone for this. It is hard to get volunteers 
>for any directorate. I am part of the performance directorate. It 
>has been really hard to recruit volunteers for this group (yes some 
>of the work is niche - which doesn't help). We have a lot of pending 
>reviews and the same faces have been raising hands for a couple of 
>years when doing reviews. Let me know if there are any good 
>strategies to overcome this.

I agree that it is hard to find people who will volunteer.  I too 
encountered the problem where the same people were raising their 
hands to do reviews.  There are a lot of situations which are 
designed in such a way that nobody can be blamed.  This is where I 
would look at who gets credit when things work fine as it is a good 
way to find out who is to blame.

>Again, there is only so much that the IETF can do about this 
>honestly. IMHO IETF does a decent job at this with letters of 
>invitation and other stuff. I have never had any issues with the IETF for this.

I and several other persons had to complain for years.  The IAOC 
finally took that decision.  There are several other things affecting 
people from emerging regions which I had to complain about several 
times as the suggestions were ignored.

>That said, I have done a bit of travelling myself. Many people from 
>the western world do not have any idea about the amount of pain one 
>has to go through for something they take for granted (or even 
>bother). Just ask someone young from a developing country who has

I think that one of the problems is what you said above.  People do 
not have any idea about the amount of pain one has to go to and they 
take a lot of things for granted.

>Honestly there are a lot of armchair revolutionaries on the main 
>IETF mailing list, who like to pontificate from the pulpit. Sad but true.

Yes.  Some people make pompous speeches at the microphone.  Some 
people from emerging regions are impressed by the speeches or the 
title of the person and believe that what is being said is true.

I don't know whether Adrian Farrel is subscribed to this mailing 
list.  I would like to thank Mr Farrel for doing something instead of 
asking me a lot of questions to avoid doing something I asked. :-)

Regards,
S. Moonesamy