Re: [ericas] Starting the discussion
SM <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Sun, 28 April 2013 21:33 UTC
Return-Path: <sm@elandsys.com>
X-Original-To: ericas@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ericas@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix)
with ESMTP id F162D21F8314 for <ericas@ietfa.amsl.com>;
Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -102.482
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.482 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.117,
BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com
[127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9zlMW6ynrdEl for
<ericas@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com
[IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id
3D6AB21F983E for <ericas@irtf.org>; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.226.232.228]) (authenticated bits=0)
by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r3SLXXZo009133
(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO);
Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010;
t=1367184825; bh=w+Xc4KFjdzg19veqKC8VGtV+ymI65oTrODIxWiUkxBU=;
h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References;
b=29qpLK0mp09IeHrTlyu97e9eIVtV66JWqZDperLW59sqpTyuP7Ob7FeJxNiotFTYW
wJBy0RmgOwKnE2HKfKvydxFP/ECp6Uu37Ca2GqJhn8TpLW2G1jQt+EGwSnw5i9Eux8
Le5Es6uSHc66n5Hk4ptxoZ3fxZtxnWTPqMP6iLmE=
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail;
t=1367184825; i=@elandsys.com; bh=w+Xc4KFjdzg19veqKC8VGtV+ymI65oTrODIxWiUkxBU=;
h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References;
b=P5M93Fo/BpOAdj2+h25hpmVFf9wFJtwgKbQjj8c/qzNX/j20F1P8viS47pu7rppke
QAOkEF2V0r6Qh1XlfF4ngtImQuKVWZiY1T8lqLY7C8RHhRTk3xOqcK5uZfSDFJTPsO
jD65inMWltcZDrF9D9MPRrQPWxoI5glT1YJiE/qQ=
Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130428125325.0cbaad98@elandnews.com>
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:00:43 -0700
To: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@nomountain.net>
From: SM <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
In-Reply-To: <517D755D.8050902@nomountain.net>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130428091705.0cbc0b60@elandnews.com>
<517D755D.8050902@nomountain.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Cc: ericas@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [ericas] Starting the discussion
X-BeenThere: ericas@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Discussion list for \"Emerging Regions Internet Challenges And
Solutions\" \(ERICAS\) " <ericas.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/ericas>,
<mailto:ericas-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.irtf.org/mail-archive/web/ericas>
List-Post: <mailto:ericas@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ericas-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/ericas>,
<mailto:ericas-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 21:33:50 -0000
Hi Melinda, At 12:15 28-04-2013, Melinda Shore wrote: >Do you feel that ISOC has a role to play in this? There was a meeting between some IETF people and the German Federal government ( http://www.isoc.de/wer-macht-das-internet/ ). My guess is that approach is more effective. It's not easy to identify the "right" people to talk to in emerging regions. Someone also has to identify what the people want. It is a huge challenge. >I should add that I'm not thrilled with the emphasis on meeting >attendance as a marker of participation or non-participation. We >may not be doing a very good job of communicating how to participate >in the IETF process without traveling to meetings. I am not thrilled either. I was chatting with a PhD student from Greece who was following an IETF plenary remotely even though it was very late for him. He has never attended an IETF meeting. He was participating in an IETF WG. He also writes code. That is the side of the IETF which might go unseen. I agree that we do not a good job of communicating how to participate. I don't know how to solve that. :-( There are language and cultural barriers for people from emerging regions. I guess it is like entering a strange place and trying to find your way. You are without any friends and you don't know who will help you. Regards, S. Moonesamy
- [ericas] Starting the discussion S Moonesamy
- Re: [ericas] Starting the discussion Melinda Shore
- Re: [ericas] Starting the discussion Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ericas] Starting the discussion SM
- [ericas] How and why Internet protocols work well… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ericas] How and why Internet protocols work … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ericas] Starting the discussion Vinayak Hegde
- Re: [ericas] Starting the discussion Vinayak Hegde
- Re: [ericas] Starting the discussion S Moonesamy
- Re: [ericas] Starting the discussion Dhruv Dhody