[ericas] Western, individualist conception of things (was: A suggestion for the Tao of the IETF)

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Fri, 21 June 2013 12:39 UTC

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 05:39:13 -0700
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Hi Richard,
At 12:44 18-06-2013, Richard Barnes wrote:
>Now, having finished that rant: I appreciate that the above is a 
>pretty Western, individualist conception of things.  I realize that 
>for some other people, official

I was thinking about the Western, individualist conception of things 
mentioned above.  I was part of the Applications Area Review 
Team.  When I took over the team was not performing any 
reviews.  After about a year the team performed all the reviews it 
was assigned.  The Security Directorate has an 80% rate.   The team 
did 100%.  I asked the Area Directors to create a directorate.  They 
immediately said yes.

I looked up the membership of a few other directorates today and 
noticed that there wasn't anyone from China or Japan.  I went to one 
meeting and I was able to find people from Asia and emerging regions 
to volunteer for IETF work.

I saw someone from an emerging region having a difficult time in a 
working group.  Only one person stepped forward to help him.

I had a chat with someone from an open source project.  The person 
said to someone: "I would like you to come to our event, don't worry 
about money as we'll see about that".  I have not heard people from 
the IETF saying that.  There was a recent thread about "stuck getting 
visas".  I didn't see people from the IETF saying "don't worry we can 
see about that".

Humberto asked the following question: "If there is anybody in this 
mail list from big vendors like Juniper, Cisco, Extreme, and others, 
please let me know what you have done to stimulate your engineers 
from emerging countries to get involved with IETF".  There wasn't any 
reply.  There was a similar question on the IETF discussion mailing 
list.  There wasn't any answer to it.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy