Re: [ericas] IETF Meeting in South America

[Alejandro Acosta <[e-mail]>]

Hi Stephen,

On 5/24/13, Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Hi Julião,
>
> On 05/24/2013 06:19 PM, Juliao Braga wrote:
>> Hello SM,
>>
>> I'd like to remember that the Regional IETF Meetings not necessarily
>> must to have the same format as Annual Meetings. The main concern is
>> that they are (a) motivators for participation in the Annual Meetings,
>> (b) strengthen and give more flexibility in the progress of WG (not that
>> the progress is slow, currently), and (c) encourage participation in
>> Annual Meetings, even remotely, including write drafts, doing reviews as
>> Melinda said.
>
> Isn't that a bit backwards in a sense? The easiest and most
> important form of participation is remote - contributing to
> list discussions, reviewing and authoring drafts. Going to
> meetings is important too, but less so.
>
> Sorry to jump on just this point, but I think its important
> that everyone realise that if you can write good technical
> emails about protocols then you have all you need to be an
> as-fully-paid-up-as-anyone IETF participant.
>

  You are absolutely right, and there are people who have written I+D
and RFCs without attending a single IETF meeting.
  The point here is that if you have a meeting in LATAM it might help
bringing more people to the IETF. Of course it won't be a radical
change and it won't bring 100 people. But at least bringing few people
is just fine.
  Additionally, to attend a meeting, to see the people, to talk with
them makes a big different, after it, it's easier to write emails, to
participate in the IETF community.
  After this discussion started I haven't stop comparing it with the
Olympics games. The Olympics logo (flag) which have 5 interlaces
rings, each of them representing a continent. Until now, after more
than 2000 years LATAM have not has an Olympics games (I know we are
not comparing apples with apples, just a thought)


> Cheers,
> S.
>

Alejandro,

>>
>> Whenever possible I'm talking about the IETF in articles and lectures,
>> as you know. I'm returning to my academic life and therefore will be
>> more effective in spreading within the Brazilian Computer Society (SBC).
>>
>> IETF will create a form and we can ask in the mailing list of SBC (and
>> others). Who knows we can have numbers and others informations?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Julião
>>
>> Em 24/05/2013 11:43, SM escreveu:
>>> Hi Juliao,
>>> At 18:34 23-05-2013, Juliao Braga wrote:
>>>> I stare at the map of where the IETF meetings occurred
>>>> (http://ws.org.br/index.php/IETF_Meetings) and wondering if the fact of
>>>> bringing some of the meetings to below the Equator could lead to
>>>> increase people participation.
>>>
>>> That's a nice map.  It highlights the division between the northern and
>>> southern hemispheres.
>>>
>>>> The answer is always negative. Will not increase participation of more
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> Fellowships will help? Certainly not. Resources are finite.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>> How then can we increase participation in meetings of the IETF? My
>>>> answer to the question may seem strange: increasing the number of
>>>> annual
>>>> meetings.
>>>
>>> The answer did sound strange at first.  I think that your answer might
>>> be appropriate for a different question.
>>>
>>> At 19:37 23-05-2013, Juliao Braga wrote:
>>>> I think we will have new challenges to be defined. New opportunities
>>>> for
>>>> change that can stimulate, for example, the coming of researchers
>>>> immersed in universities and / or research centers, not yet
>>>> participating in the IETF. Maybe they can not submit drafts, but can
>>>> contribute to foster the knowledge of those who produce drafts or
>>>> working as reviewers. Regarding the participation in discussions of the
>>>> mailing lists, I think that they might be involved with reasonable
>>>> intensity, ideas, and knowledge.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>> Perhaps the IETF should and can change (not where it has always been a
>>>> success) to capture new people.
>>>
>>> It would take a huge effort to do the above.  A person trying to do it
>>> will make a lot of enemies.
>>>
>>> Do you know people in universities or research centers in South America
>>> who might be interested in contributing their knowledge?  If so, could
>>> you ask them to comment on ericas?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> -sm
>>>
>>
>>
>


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