Re: [Errata-design] Scheduling a kick off call
"Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" <rse@rfc-editor.org> Fri, 09 January 2015 00:35 UTC
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 1/8/15 10:56 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > On 08/01/15 18:10, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: >> As a reminder, I have a wiki where I've tried to summarize what >> complaints I've heard about the existing system and where I'll track the >> proposals on how to fix it: > > That URL was broken for me by some mailer, >> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rse/wiki/doku.php?id=3Derratasystem:complaints= > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rse/wiki/doku.php?id=erratasystem:complaints > > The above worked though. > > And in looking at the 3rd bullet of that... > > "3. Searching for serious errata when faced with an unprioritized > list is hard. > a. Most individual errata are not actually important; need to > be able to quickly distinguish between what is and isn't important" > > I think it'd be better to clarify that the actor in the above is > also something TBD and might not be an RFC editor staffer or AD > but could also (depending on what this group come up with) be some > near-random member of the community. OK. > > > That said, I'll now repeat myself and say again that another way > to tackle this is not problem-statement,use-case,requirements and > then pay a coder, but to just see what s/w is out there that might > be good enough already. gitlab I think is one such and we could > just decide (if we wanted) that that's what we'll use going > forward and that we'll re-define errata to be something useful > that "just" works in that context. Right, and I don't disagree with that (seeing what's out there so we don't have to code). But I am struggling with going out there and seeing what's "good enough" if I don't know what bar (or set of bars) I'm trying to meet. So, for that, problem statements and use cases help me figure out if a tool is going to work, regardless of who wrote it. > > > Or if you really want to follow this approach, in terms of a > problem for putting on that wiki maybe you could say "The errata > system is a bespoke system with all the associated quirks and > there is no good reason why we couldn't re-define errata so > that they are those things handled by some OSS s/w that > we pick." > OK. - -Heather -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUryJmAAoJEER/xjINbZoGmlMIAJmRLMsMysI9QwcR/Froe6oN sxwhee289OiswCXDoc5Y8j2IgkbGWEm4UU3bWctRX4/W90V48YgXgLRZUSmZ1l1O 0WTJC1AY00j57MQoFtU0idyXlNcQW6R7rSdgthc62skCGFnDtapWFairZ1NDX5vF z4dJ7tta4++B/szKX2cpaxs6gV2t5D3QzMe8HAWOGlObKldf0p5947JKnWIiFini Et0s/w8/9MMFUcRs903976+Q9ur3krvfuwcu6kLQ7xweMEFB+DAwWi8Id7zDr42m iwIg/HKhtKKs3x7k9VqfDltNxHfHoR1i3PIUqglEipDEHld1wH0EGLL6HqEnZTk= =TEhJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- [Errata-design] Scheduling a kick off call Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
- Re: [Errata-design] Scheduling a kick off call Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Errata-design] Scheduling a kick off call Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
- Re: [Errata-design] Scheduling a kick off call Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
- Re: [Errata-design] Scheduling a kick off call Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
- Re: [Errata-design] Scheduling a kick off call Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)