Re: [EToSat] New Version Notification for draft-kuhn-quic-4-sat-04.txt

Hi, Mirja,

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:58 AM Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net>
wrote:

> Good that we have recordings then :-)
>

And participants without concussions ;-)

> I think ICCRG is the right place for that discussion. We mainly had this
> in the tsvarea because this was something brought up by the IAB to get IETF
> input but part of the conclusion I think is also that ICCRG is the better
> place for this work! :-)
>

That would be a fine answer. Thanks!

Spencer

> Mirja
>
>
>
>
> > On 24. Apr 2020, at 15:52, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Mirja,
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:59 AM Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net>
> wrote:
> > Christian gave exactly this talk a little later in a tsvarea session. I
> think that was what he was referring to.
> >
> > Ah, at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-105-tsvarea/. The IETF
> meeting where I had a concussion at 3 AM on Monday morning (not kidding,
> it's surprising I remember anything from that week) - thanks for the
> pointer!
> >
> > I think Christian's question about how much we should care about
> fairness/selfishness, and what that means, is still open, still
> interesting, and still better had on a mailing list with a broader stated
> purpose than "encryption over Satellite". Is TSVAREA still the right place
> for that discussion? If not, where?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Spencer
> >
> > > On 24. Apr 2020, at 13:01, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Top posting ...
> > >
> > > When Christian sent out his paper on implications of pluggable
> congestion control in user space, Mirja and I talked about having him talk
> about it at TSVAREA. I don't remember why that didn't happen, but ISTM
> that's still a really important question, and having that discussion on a
> non-WG mailing list for a rather narrow topic isn't going to get the
> attention it deserves.
> > >
> > > Christian, do you want to ask your question on TSVAREA? If not, I'd be
> happy to.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Spencer
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 04:03 Jeremy Harris <jgh@wizmail.org> wrote:
> > > On 24/04/2020 00:26, Christian Huitema wrote:
> > > > I also have a puzzling question regarding the purpose of the tests.
> The
> > > > TCP Eval draft follows the classic approach that Internet stability
> > > > depends on well behaved transports, and that this good behavior
> should
> > > > be documented by a large battery of tests. I got some fairly
> consistent
> > > > feedback last year, after worrying that free wheeling innovation in
> > > > transport protocols might end up having bad consequences for the
> > > > Internet. A number of distinguished colleagues lined up at the mic
> and
> > > > explained that my fears were exaggerated, that the Internet was very
> > > > robust, and that I should not worry. So, which is which? Should I
> worry
> > > > about consequences for others, or is selfishness OK?
> > >
> > > Those distinguished colleagues have forgotten, or weren't around,
> > > for the congestion-collapse phase of the Internet (around 1990?)
> > > which drove the development of congestion control.
> > >
> > > We only have robustness because of such consideration.  Selfishness
> > > is not ok.
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > >   Jeremy
> > >
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