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[EToSat] Packet lost on last mile network?

Nitay Argov <Nitay@gilat.com> Wed, 13 May 2020 03:27 UTC

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From: Nitay Argov <Nitay@gilat.com>
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Subject: [EToSat] Packet lost on last mile network?
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Hi,
I'm looking for discussions on issues related to a satellite network that is used with a lossy end-user delivery network - e.g. WiFi. As far as I understand, once QUIC is used, any packet drop by the user network will need to be retransmitted over the satellite? Doesn't this pose a real problem for using QUIC over such networks?
Am I missing something? I am sure this issue was discussed in the past but I could not find where.
Thanks!
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