Re: [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2-26: (with COMMENT)
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Tue, 02 February 2021 18:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2-26: (with COMMENT)
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> (1) Section 6.3.9 says: > > "The LIST command SHOULD return its data quickly, without undue delay. > For example, it SHOULD NOT go to excess trouble to calculate the > \Marked or \Unmarked status or perform other processing" > > The second sentence seems like it does not warrant normative language given > that it is giving an example Indeed; this slipped through from the original. I agree that we don't need the same BCP 14 statement twice. > (2) There are some recurring example names -- owatagusiam, blurdybloop, etc. -- > that could probably be replaced with names that are a little more > accessible/obvious to new readers. Also, there are a lot of examples with user > names from the same cultural/linguistic context -- smith, fred, eric, etc. > Neutralizing or diversifying those names would improve the document. This harks back to older times and to the late Mark Crispin, who liked those sorts of things. I agree with you. That said, there are two things: 1. As Alexey has pointed out with other comments, changing these often involves carefully checking literal lengths, RFC822-SIZE values, and other such, and has a high potential to introduce errors. 2. I have some thought toward keeping Mark's voice in here, and that mostly shows up in the examples. Part of me would rather not scrub it out. Alexey, thoughts? Barry
- [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-iet… Alissa Cooper via Datatracker
- Re: [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Extra] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft… Alexey Melnikov