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Re: [Extra] imap4rev2: RFC6851 MOVE

Rob Siemborski <robsiemb@google.com> Thu, 15 November 2018 21:44 UTC

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From: Rob Siemborski <robsiemb@google.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:43:47 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Extra] imap4rev2: RFC6851 MOVE
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On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 1:41 PM Arnt Gulbrandsen <arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no>
wrote:

> On Thursday 15 November 2018 17:12:58 CET, Michael Slusarz wrote:
> > Playing devil's advocate... what were the reason(s) this wasn't
> > part of previous specs?
>
> Mark hated the idea. I don't think anyone understood why.
>
> As I recall, there had been nine other substantially similar proposals
> before the one I wrote, most or all from actual implementers. Some weren't
> competently designed and written, but nine is an amazingly large number
> for
> this kind of thing. There was no lack of demand for MOVE, just Mark's
> resistance.
>

IIRC, Mark's resistance came from the "its a shortcut" idea that Michael
mentioned.

-Rob

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