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Re: [Extra] IMAP4rev2 , \recent and search new

Brandon Long <blong@google.com> Mon, 28 October 2019 20:34 UTC

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From: Brandon Long <blong@google.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:33:57 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Extra] IMAP4rev2 , \recent and search new
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Pretty sure we implement it as "nothing is \Recent", which is also valid in
the sense that it's always possible a different client saw them as new
first.

Using UNSEEN seems like a different type of lie, it is closer to what
\Recent means... but since they both existed, one would think the
difference between them may be what people consider useful.

Brandon

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:45 AM Arnt Gulbrandsen <arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no>
wrote:

> I had a look at the draft recently and will be sending a number of
> messages, each pointing out a single issue, mostly simple. I'll space them
> out and send one every few days. First up: search new and \recent.
>
> I suggest that deprecating \recent be given a rationale. I suggest the
> following additional paragraph in 2.3.2:
>
> "Many modern IMAP clients automatically reconnect. For example, mobile
> email clients may dis- and reconnect whenever they enter or leave an area
> with WLAN coverage. Because of this, messages can lose their \recent
> status
> apparently at random, and using \recent (e.g. via the NEW search key) has
> become unreliable. For this reason (among others), \recent is now
> deprecated."
>
> The NEW search key needs to be changed, either to deprecate it or to make
> it an alias for UNSEEN. I think the best course of action is the one that
> permits the smallest client diff. Suggested wording for section 6.4.4:
>
> "Since \recent is now deprecated, the NEW search key may now be an alias
> for the UNSEEN. Servers that also advertise IMAP4rev1 may implement NEW
> either as an alias for UNSEEN or as specified in IMAP4rev1. Clients that
> implement IMAP4rev2 should not rely on either NEW being equal to UNSEEN or
> NEW returning a subset of UNSEEN."
>
> Section 6.3.2 contains an example that doesn't include RECENT. I suggest
> an
> additional paragraph:
>
> "Note that IMAP4rev1 compliant servers also send e.g. "* 0 RECENT", which
> IMAP4rev2 clients are advised to ignore."
>
> Arnt
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