Re: [Extra] Fwd: Personnel change for extra WG

Michael Peddemors <> Thu, 04 April 2019 01:12 UTC

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For us, that is one option, so right now we are looking at all the 
arguments, however it does seem people like the big button 'This is 
Junk' more, they won't bother 'training', and don't really understand 
the concept.  Training is something techies understand, but not the 
average user.  They would rather click 'delete' than remember to move it 
to junk, IMHO..

So, it is about standardizing how/what should happen when a person 
clicks the big button.. We 'could' use that to trigger a move to Junk, 
which would trigger other things.. or we can use flags.

Our concern, is that things other than user interaction could trigger a 
MOVE, eg an email clients own internal spam detection methods.. which is 
not what we want to know, we want to know when the 'human' makes that 

Make sense?

On 2019-04-03 4:52 p.m., Neil Jenkins wrote:
> At FastMail, we plan to simply add hooks on the IMAP server side so if 
> an email is moved to the Spam folder it is learned as spam, and if moved 
> out of the spam folder (except to trash) it is learned as non-spam. Also 
> if an email is moved to the Archive folder it would be learned as non-spam.
> Client-side filtering seems to be universally garbage from what we've 
> seen with customer support tickets. I don't know we need a flag to 
> indicate to clients that the server will learn based on folder movement, 
> as hopefully most clients already move messages in/out of the spam 
> folder when you report spam/not-spam from a client and so this will Just 
> Work™️.
> Neil.
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