Re: [Extra] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-04: (with COMMENT)
Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Fri, 11 January 2019 15:48 UTC
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To: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Extra] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-04: (with COMMENT)
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> On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 11:31:27PM -0800, Ned Freed wrote: > > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > > draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-04: Yes > > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use/ > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > COMMENT: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > I'm balloting Yes because this document seems like it is going to do the > > > right thing in helping to keep sieve up to date with IMAP. But I do still > > > have a few comments. > > > > > Section 4 > > > > > Implementations SHOULD handle an invalid special- > > > use flag in the same way as an invalid mailbox name is handled. The > > > > > (Does "invalid" mean "syntactically invalid" or "nonexistent" or something > > > else? Presumably this is just a sieve convention that I've not been > > > exposed to yet...) > > > > Given that the preceeding sentence in the paragraph is "The special-use flag > > specified with the ":specialuse" argument MUST conform to the "use-attr" syntax > > described in Section 6 of RFC6154 [SIEVE-MAILBOX]." I think it's actually > > pretty clear that this is talking about syntax and not something. I suppose > > changing it to say "syntactically invalid" would not hurt, but I don't really > > think it's necessary given the context. > Okay. > > What actually concerns me more here is the MUST in the first sentence. This use > > of compliance language strikes me as misplaced. Sieve scripts are specified by > > users one way or another and say what they say; when we talk about compliance > > in these documents we're talking about what a Sieve implementation has to do, > > like the SHOULD in the second sentence, which is actually dealing with the > > case where the MUST is violated. > It's probably clearer to say something descriptive like "[...] flag > specified with the ':specialuse' argument conforms to the 'use-attr' syntax > described in [...]" Works for me. Ned
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