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Re: [Extra] Francesca Palombini's No Objection on draft-ietf-extra-sieve-mailboxid-07: (with COMMENT)

Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> Tue, 16 March 2021 12:50 UTC

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Murray pointed out that I STILL had it wrong.  Uploaded again with a much better version :)

   MAILBOXID-OPT = ":mailboxid" objectid

   FCC-OPTS =/ MAILBOXID-OPT

objectid is defined in RFC8474 as:

      objectid = 1*255(ALPHA / DIGIT / "_" / "-")
              ; characters in object identifiers are case
              ; significant

Of course now that I've posted this, I do wonder if I actually need to make it:

MAILBOXID-OPT = ":mailboxid" SPACE DQUOTE objectid DQUOTE

*sigh*.

I mean, RFC8580 already doesn't seem to be very specific about the whitespace between tokens - but I expect we probably do want the mailboxid to be a string rather than an objectid for parser simplicity.  I welcome input on that!  (I'm pretty sure the parser we have in Cyrus right now needs it to be a string for example)

Cheers,

Bron.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, at 15:29, Bron Gondwana wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, at 23:19, Bron Gondwana wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, at 23:04, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:41 AM Francesca Palombini via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>>>> I would only like to bring up again Magnus unanswered comment about formal
>>>> syntax, and hope that the working group can address that before the document
>>>> moves forward. Thread starting here:
>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/extra/zuH2VTx-NoXQXFzQ1PeJJkts0Bo/
>>> 
>>> As it happens, EXTRA is meeting at IETF 110 in a couple of hours, and I think the plan is to discuss this there.
>>> 
>> 
>> Sure is!  I'm putting together slides right now, because there's nothing like the last minute.
> 
> Conclusion from the meeting was:
> 
> 1) let's just put in the ABNF for FCC-OPTS since that has consistent syntax that it makes sense to complete.  For everything else, less than 1/4 of existing sieve extensions have ABNF, so it's not really sensible to try to extend that - it's all been done with prose.
> 
> 2) we need to make the :fcc behaviour match the fileinto behaviour for the relationship between specialuse and mailboxid tests.
> 
> I made both those changes and uploaded -08 right now.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bron.
> 
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