Re: [ftpext] WG Status (was: Re: Fwd: Re: ftpext2 review of FTP HOST command?)
Anthony Bryan <anthonybryan@gmail.com> Tue, 13 March 2012 19:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ftpext] WG Status (was: Re: Fwd: Re: ftpext2 review of FTP HOST command?)
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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: > > > --On Monday, March 12, 2012 10:42 -0400 Tony Hansen > <tony@att.com> wrote: > >> I received the following review this weekend about the HOST >> command draft. >>... > > Tony, > > I've got several comments on both the draft and on Patrik's > comments, but I also have a prerequisite question. Put in the > broadest possible way, "Is the WG actually sufficiently > functional to process drafts and, if so, which drafts is it > serious about processing?" I would like to hear your comments on both, John... this WG may not be functional enough, but as I understand it we will still have the mailing list (if the WG is closed) & drafts could progress through individual submission. so, either way, your comments will improve the draft - despite your concerns, wouldn't you rather it be as good as possible? here are the drafts on our charter. FTP consideration for IPv4/IPv6 transition http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ftpext2-ftp64 FTP TYPE Extension for Internationalized Text http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ftpext2-typeu HASH Command for Cryptographic Hashes http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ftpext2-hash HOST Command for Virtual Hosts http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ftpext2-hosts > Even if I were more convinced that "HOST" was needed rather than > being something whose functionality should be embedded in USER > or ACCT (I'm a lot closer on that topic today than I was a few > years ago), I'm not convinced that it is inherently more > important than ...-hash, ...-typeu, or even ...-ftp64 (I believe > the latter is seriously defective). I'd consider it > procedurally obnoxious and probably unacceptable if the only > draft the WG is willing to process is one on which the co-chair > is a co-author. no one is saying one is more important than the other, but some have more interest than others. I can see how my draft progressing would be annoying but don't worry about that, there either will be a WG or there won't. > > So: > > Is the WG really functional? > > If I update and re-post ...-typeu (today or after the > 25th) are enough people willing to review it to permit > generating a WG Last Call? I have reviewed it but I don't know enough about this subject matter to comment unfortunately. please, everyone who is knowledgeable on it, review typeu! > Do we have commitments to implement whatever the WG > comes up with? > > If the answer to some or all of the above is "no", should people > really spend time reviewing this document or should we be > thinking about concluding that FTP's detractors are correct > about level of interest and hence give up on this effort? HOST has 6 or more implementations already. HASH, where I did a good deal of advocacy, has a number of implementations ready to upgrade from similar previous non-standard commands. I don't think I have read of implementations for the other 2 drafts. > Overworked people who are trying to figure out where to spend > their time would like to know. I hear you - I'm publicly apologizing for where I've dropped the ball in this WG. we all have real life to deal with & things come up. all volunteer work is appreciated & I think we are doing useful work that will be used by people. :) -- (( Anthony Bryan ... Metalink [ http://www.metalinker.org ] )) Easier, More Reliable, Self Healing Downloads
- [ftpext] Fwd: Re: ftpext2 review of FTP HOST comm… Tony Hansen
- [ftpext] WG Status (was: Re: Fwd: Re: ftpext2 rev… John C Klensin
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status Tony Hansen
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status (was: Re: Fwd: Re: ftpext2… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status (was: Re: Fwd: Re: ftpext2… John C Klensin
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status TJ Saunders
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status (was: Re: Fwd: Re: ftpext2… SM
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status (was: Re: Fwd: Re: ftpext2… Anthony Bryan
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status Anthony Bryan
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status (was: Re: Fwd: Re: ftpext2… Anthony Bryan
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status Pete Resnick
- Re: [ftpext] WG Status Tony Hansen
- [ftpext] draft-ietf-ftpext2-typeu is now draft-kl… John C Klensin