Re: [Fud] Comment on draft-moran-fud-manifest-00

Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net> Tue, 22 August 2017 11:33 UTC

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To: Thomas Eichinger <thomas@riot-os.org>, fud@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Fud] Comment on draft-moran-fud-manifest-00
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Hi Thomas,

interesting idea.

As an optional feature I don't see a problem with it.

How exactly the approval process for applying a firmware update in a
particular product looks like will of course vary a lot. At the IOTSU
workshop we had people describing a healthcare setting where any code
changes need to go through certification first. In smart home
environments the firmware updates are most likely facing fewer
regulatory restrictions.

Ciao
Hannes



On 08/11/2017 12:37 AM, Thomas Eichinger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> reading draft-moran-fud-manifest-00 I am wondering what people think about
> adding a component to the manifest classifying the described update as a
> security and/or feature update (others are imaginable) in a machine-readable
> manner.
> 
> The use case I see is that users then can define rules to deploy security
> only updates in an automated timely fashion while being able to review
> others before. Similar to Directive.applyImmediately but not forced by the
> Author of the update.
> 
> Any opinions on that?
> 
> Best,
> Thomas
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