Re: [fun] Routing ?

Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> Sun, 03 July 2011 03:29 UTC

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On Jul 1, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote:

> I'm sure this is a spectacularly clueless question but, .... could someone say a bit more about why we need a routing protocol.

Well, if you draw a circle around the network so small that it consists of exactly one router (figure 2 of draft-baker-fun-multi-router), I guess we don't. However, I'll note that (discussion on v6ops a few months back) existing IPv4 residential gateways for the most part support a routing protocol - usually RIPv2. If present residential gateways have that requirement for market reasons, it does seem reasonable to expect future ones to.

I guess the question I would ask is not "why", but "given that there is evidently a present market requirement, why not". Can you explain to me why every residential gateway manufacturer save one - including Linksys - is wrong?