Re: [gaia] Blog on AFRINIC proposal

one answer is to try to quantify the economic (and reputational?) impact of
shutdown so that leaders who choose to adopt this action have a better
appreciation of the costs.

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On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com> wrote:

> Great discussion! And I agree with much of what has been said. But that
> still leaves us with the open question of what the response of AFRINIC
> should be to shutdowns. I agree this proposal was problematic (as I point
> out in the blog), but am interested to hear what advocacy, support, and
> solidarity by AFRINIC could/should look like in the case of Internet
> shutdowns.
>
> Best,
>
> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Jon Crowcroft <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> the problem with witholding a resource as a lever to try to reduce
>> censorship
>> (witholding of access to the net) is that its
>> a) an implicitly negative message to counter a negative message,
>> which takes the risk of accusations of hypocrisy
>> b) it risks collective punishment
>> i.e. hurts victims of governments' misguided policy,
>> as well as government agency, which is over-reach
>> c) the proposal is the opposite of basic internet philosophy, as per
>> Gilmore :
>> *"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."*
>> which means that the proposal risks undermining citizen/peer actions
>>
>> intentions are good, but advocacy, support, solidarity seems like a
>> better road
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Vint for sharing your point of view.
>>> If I may give my two cents, through advocacy is that, in the summit here
>>> in nayrobi the community all together wrote the proposal.
>>>
>>> There needs to be stronger efforts to make internet less
>>> country-dependant and more resilient... But these are urgent matters. While
>>> we get to that resilient future, we need to support our communities on
>>> their decisions regarding their own problematics.
>>>
>>> I understand that IP address may seem to be a technical thing, but
>>> governments are hijacking them into a political standpoint.
>>>
>>> Instead of making this a specific action, I would suggest that we could
>>> work out a regulation that requires IP tenants not to shutdown connectivity
>>> as a condition to receive their ranges... Or some sort of agreement on
>>> openness.
>>>
>>> Could it be possible, and would it be useful to tackle this issue? What
>>> do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 3, 2017 4:41:04 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I implied it: advocacy
>>>>
>>>> v
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What would be your approach on this matter then? I'm curious to know
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On June 3, 2017 4:36:36 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My reaction: politicizing IP address allocation is a mistake and
>>>>>> could have enormous, negative consequences including a wide range of
>>>>>> fragmentation and legal intimidation of the RIRs.  Advocacy is fine but
>>>>>> withholding IP addresses for political reasons is not wise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> v
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CFR invited me to write a blog about the recent AFRINIC proposal to
>>>>>>> deny IP addresses to governments mandating Internet shutdowns. Might be of
>>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cfr.org/article/should-technical-actors-play-pol
>>>>>>> itical-role-internet-age
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Corinne J.N. Cath
>>>>>>> Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute
>>>>>>>
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