Re: [gaia] What if all phones were always on the Internet?

Dirk Kutscher <Dirk.Kutscher@neclab.eu> Wed, 02 December 2015 13:56 UTC

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There is a public consultation on the EU 5GPPP phase 2 planning: http://networld2020.eu/

If you are interested in seeing more opportunities for GAIA topics, try to review this and provide your comments.

Cheers,
Dirk


> -----Original Message-----
> From: gaia [mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Dirk Kutscher
> Sent: Freitag, 27. November 2015 09:51
> To: Stephen Farrell; Jim Forster
> Cc: gaia; Steve Song
> Subject: Re: [gaia] What if all phones were always on the Internet?
> 
> > How would that best be progressed? I think there are good ideas here
> > (adding delay-tolerant features to mainstream protocols) but I'm not
> > sure how to get those ingrained in e.g. 5g stuff.
> 
> In Europe, review and have your say on what's happening here: https://5g-
> ppp.eu/
> 
> There is a second phase of projects in preparation -- that should ideally cater for
> topics like this, but people need to speak up.
> 
> Technically, I think that ICN as a concept has good potential as a network
> infrastructure technology that can span both well-connected traditional type of
> networks as well as less conventional ones, including uni-directional and
> disruption-prone networks.
> 
> One of the keywords is access network heterogeneity, e.g., "hybrid access" in
> the current IP access world. It's obvious that TCP/IP (even MPTCP) with
> DNS/CDN has issues in even the simple hybrid access home gateway scenario.
> 
> Another keyword is transport performance (related to the transport encryption
> discussion): with heterogeneous access, and especially with low-bitrate,
> unreliable secondary access, you want to have a more powerful forwarding
> plane that can react to changing link layer characteristics locally and that can
> employ in-network storage for reacting to disruption/delay. Today, mobile
> network operators are trying to address some of these issues with TCP proxies
> and application-layer proxies (the latter will probably become more expensive in
> the future because of encryption, see below).
> 
> Finally, security: I see two things happening:
> 
> 1) HTTP/2 and TLS => ubiquitous encryption
> 2) CDN extending into core and access networks => many vulnerable platforms
> that manage keys and certificates on behalf of original data owners and service
> providers to maintain connection-based encryption
> 
> This does not look very promising to me. We ought to figure object-based
> security and fine-granular access control based on that.
> 
> With virtualization extending to all parts of the network, it now becomes
> feasible to prototype and evaluate such systems, e.g., as a slice in a virtualized
> mobile network.
> 
> There is some interesting work going on, just a few pointers:
> 
> http://conferences2.sigcomm.org/acm-icn/2015/proceedings/p189-auge.pdf
> 
> http://conferences2.sigcomm.org/acm-icn/2015/proceedings/p137-
> schneider.pdf
> 
> http://conferences2.sigcomm.org/acm-icn/2015/proceedings/p177-yu.pdf
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Dirk
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