Re: [gaia] How to carry on with the "manyfolks" draft

Hi all,

It would help me a lot to better understand the core purpose of this
document. Pardon my ignorance in this regard, not being very familiar with
IRTF. Is it intended to be largely descriptive providing a broad overview
of initiatives, technologies, approaches, etc or is it intended to be a
framework for action or perhaps something in between?

Thanks... Steve

On 1 July 2014 05:04, Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es> wrote:

> Well, this is my view if we want to write a document including everything:
> many people in the list will not agree on using the name "Community
> Network" for these other possibilities, like the ones driven by a company.
> E.g. I don't think we will be able to have consensus for considering FON as
> a Community Network.
>
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gaia/current/msg00190.html
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gaia/current/msg00204.html
>
>
> So if we found a broader name, we could include all the networks under
> discussion ("non-traditional", "user-centric", "free" or "whatever
> networks"), and CNs would be a subset of them.
>
> Jose
>
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: gaia [mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org] En nombre de Arjuna Sathiaseelan
> > Enviado el: martes, 01 de julio de 2014 7:04
> > Para: Jose Saldana
> > CC: gaia
> > Asunto: Re: [gaia] How to carry on with the "manyfolks" draft
> >
> > i think we should do (1): use the current feedback to revise and get more
> > contributors onboard. But I am not sure why you are proposing to change
> the title of
> > the doc? its like changing the original vision/goal and from the
> discussions so far - i
> > dont think thats what the members suggested - its more about making the
> > classification more inclusive.
> >
> > Arjuna
> >
> > On 30 June 2014 10:16, Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have tried to extract the main ideas from the discussion in the
> > > list, and I have built this document.
> > >
> > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67016195/discussion_CN_def_v1.docx
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As you can see, there are lots of contributions in the list, from
> > > people with wide experience.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In my opinion, the first problem to solve is the scope of the draft.
> > > From my point of view, there are three different ways:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1- Writing a very broad document including
> > > "all-the-networks-we-are-talking-about-here", and then classifying
> them.
> > > Community Networks would become a section of the document, and could
> > > be distinguished from other approaches.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In this case we should remove the words "Community Networks" from the
> > > title, and try to find a "broad name" including everything. What about
> > > a "negative
> > > definition"?: something similar to NGO: like "non-operator networks"
> > > or "non-conventional networks". Perhaps "user-centric networks" can
> also fit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2- Writing a number of documents: one about community networks, other
> > > about FON-like networks, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This option is really difficult: it will be impossible to find
> > > consensus when defining the borders between different network models.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 3- Assuming that this is an impossible task. Let's forget about a
> > > definition.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think this is not an option. The objective of GAIA is writing good
> > > documents about these things...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jose Saldana
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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