Re: [gaia] Gigabit/fibre networks, worth documenting/comparing experiences and lessons beyond the usual (market)

[Steve Song <[e-mail]>]

That is a wonderful resource Renato. Thanks for sharing it. Deserves to be
shared more widely.

Cheers... Steve

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 08:24, Renato Lo Cigno <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Steve, All,
>
> Deliverables 1.2 and 1.4 of netCommons can be a good starting point for
> a "catalogue", even if they are obviously not exhaustive of every
> possible initiative.
> https://netcommons.eu/?q=content/deliverables-page
>
> They are public and under CC license, so feel free to start the
> catalogue from there. I'm sure Leandro can provide the relevan source
> material for reuse.
>
> Best,
> Renato
>
> Il 17/09/2018 18:12, Steve Song ha scritto:
> > 100% agree on the case studies and there are some cracking examples like
> > Guifi.net and B4RN but I feel like I don't have a sense of the landscape
> > yet which is why building a catalogue to begin with would really help
> > me.  From community-driven but ultimately private sector fibre
> > initiatives like Parkhurst in Johannesburg to electricity cooperatives
> > embracing fibre in the U.S, there are a host of different models out
> > there and some important lessons to be learned.
> >
> > Interesting insights for me is the highly variable relationship between
> > the community, local government and the private sector.  Sometimes local
> > government is the hero and sometimes they are the villain.
> >
> > B4RN exists largely in spite of local government.  In other cases
> > municipalities have led the way.  Municipal bonds seems likely a very
> > interesting approach for local government led models.  So much so that
> > there is a startup (https://neighborly.com/) that offers
> > community-bonds-as-a-service to municipalities.
> >
> > Parkhurst mobilised the community (government was not involved in any
> > way) to build a critical mass of commitment, with individual streets
> > competing with each other in the suburb to see who could raise the
> > highest level of commitment.  But then they handed it all to Vumatel who
> > agreed to build and operate the network (at no charge to the community)
> > based on the commitments.  Now they have fibre everywhere, which is a
> > big improvement on Telkom, but it is still very expensive.
> >
> > Cheers... Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 11:12, Jane Coffin <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >     Case-studies are key as we will want to give colleagues as much
> >     concrete/practical examples as possible.____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     On the issue of online spreadsheet or etherpad – leaving that to the
> >     team here to pick____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
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> >
> >     Skype:  janercoffin____
> >
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> >     __ __
> >
> >     *From: *gaia <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >     on behalf of "Song, Stephen" <[e-mail]
> >     <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >     *Date: *Monday, September 17, 2018 at 2:45 PM
> >     *To: *"[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]
> >     <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >     *Subject: *Re: [gaia] Gigabit/fibre networks, worth
> >     documenting/comparing experiences and lessons beyond the usual
> >     (market)____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     Hi all,____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     I would be happy to help with this.  My inclination would be to
> >     start small.  To begin with, I would be happy with a list of fibre
> >     initiatives, the country, link to website/news articles, and some
> >     basic categorisation of the network that we can evolve as we go.____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     We could start with an online spreadsheet or etherpad?____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     Cheers... Steve____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 07:39, Leandro Navarro <[e-mail]
> >     <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:____
> >
> >         Thanks a lot Mallory, Michael, Arjuna for your comments. BTW,
> >         the EY report is just amazing !____
> >
> >         __ __
> >
> >         Following Mallory’s comment, we could outline (rather than
> >         detail) the practices, classify them, relate them to IETF/IRTF
> >         activities and other groups, collect requirements,
> >         recommendations, but something relatively brief, + compile
> >         citations or case studies from the initiatives out there, that
> >         could be a basis to understand the big picture, and identify
> >         action points.____
> >
> >         __ __
> >
> >         Any other comment is very welcome. I will work on an initial
> >         outline and will get back to the group in a week or two with a
> >         proposal..____
> >
> >         __ __
> >
> >         Cheers, Leandro.____
> >
> >
> >
> >         ____
> >
> >             On 17 Sep 2018, at 11:01, Arjuna Sathiaseelan
> >             <[e-mail]
> >             <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:____
> >
> >             __ __
> >
> >             Leandro, all ____
> >
> >             __ __
> >
> >             this report  by EY is brilliant and has lot of info needed -
> >             especially from Section 4:____
> >
> >
> https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/ey-broadband-2022-unlocking-a-trillion-dollar-digital-economy/$FILE/ey-broadband-2022-unlocking-a-trillion-dollar-digital-economy.pdf____
> >
> >             __ __
> >
> >             __ __
> >
> >             On 8 September 2018 at 20:27, Leandro Navarro
> >             <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:____
> >
> >                 Hi everyone, ____
> >
> >                 __ __
> >
> >                 In the recent days I’ve seen several initiatives around
> >                 fibre access infrastructure, ____
> >
> >                 __ __
> >
> >                 * Some coming from rural communities such as:____
> >
> >                   - this nice video documentary from a community effort
> >                 in Scotland:
> >
> https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/09/video-documentary-looks-at-balquhidder-community-ftth-build-in-scotland.html
> >                 <https://www.ispreview.co.
> .uk/index.php/2018/09/video-documentary-looks-at-balquhidder-community-ftth-build-in-scotland.html>
> >                 ____
> >
> >                   - The well know B4RN community operator:
> >
> https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/03/b4rn-helping-expand-1gbps-ftth-broadband-rural-cheshire.html
> >                 <https://www.ispreview..
> co.uk/index.php/2018/03/b4rn-helping-expand-1gbps-ftth-broadband-rural-cheshire.html
> >
> >                 ____
> >
> >                   - Several other optical networks:
> >
> https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/five-projects-got-first-ever-european-broadband-award____
> >
> >                   - Including guifi.net <http://guifi.net/>:
> >                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3HYeD4Lm4____
> >
> >                   - First nations such as http://knet.ca/ among others:
> >
> https://www.internetsociety.org/events/indigenous-connectivity-summit/2017/presentations/
> >                 and related aspects of electricity, water, economic
> >                 development and employment, etc.____
> >
> >                 __ __
> >
> >                 * Traditional or new telcos such as
> >                 https://www.gigaclear.com/ etc.____
> >
> >                 __ __
> >
> >                 * Other players such as google fibre:
> >                 https://fiber.googleblog.com/ In this article they
> >                 discuss about lessons learned
> >
> https://hbr.org/2018/09/why-google-fiber-is-high-speed-internets-most-successful-failure____
> >
> >                 __ __
> >
> >                 The list is endless.____
> >
> >                 __ __
> >
> >                 All seem successful in different ways, with different
> >                 lessons learned about scale, local investment,
> >                 infrastructure sharing like ducts and poles, cost
> >                 reduction from the involvement of volunteers,
> >                 involvement of content and service providers
> >                 (googlefiber), etc. In the netcommons.eu
> >                 <http://netcommons.eu/> project we have looked at
> >                 different business and organisational models for
> >                 community networks specifically, but there are other
> >                 successful models that have socio-economic impact.____
> >
> >                 __ __
> >
> >                 *Would you find useful to compile a GAIA/IRTF document
> >                 about good practices, lessons learned, to build
> >                 high-speed/fibre/gigabit network infrastructures in
> >                 challenging environments? which means beyond the last
> >                 frontier of rural, remote, underdeveloped, underserved
> >                 areas.*____
> >
> >                 __ __
> >
> >                 By the way, there is this upcoming related event:
> >
> https://www.internetsociety.org/events/indigenous-connectivity-summit/2018/____
> >
> >                 The report from the previous edition is a recommended
> >                 read:
> >
> https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2018-01-04_ICS-Report-final.pdf____
> >
> >                 __ __
> >
> >                 Cheers, ____
> >
> >                 --
> >                 Leandro Navarro
> >                 http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandrohttp://dsg.ac.upc.edu
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> >             Arjuna Sathiaseelan | http://sathiaseelan.org
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