Re: [gaia] Blog on AFRINIC proposal

Great discussion! And I agree with much of what has been said. But that
still leaves us with the open question of what the response of AFRINIC
should be to shutdowns. I agree this proposal was problematic (as I point
out in the blog), but am interested to hear what advocacy, support, and
solidarity by AFRINIC could/should look like in the case of Internet
shutdowns.

Best,

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Jon Crowcroft <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>
wrote:

>
> the problem with witholding a resource as a lever to try to reduce
> censorship
> (witholding of access to the net) is that its
> a) an implicitly negative message to counter a negative message,
> which takes the risk of accusations of hypocrisy
> b) it risks collective punishment
> i.e. hurts victims of governments' misguided policy,
> as well as government agency, which is over-reach
> c) the proposal is the opposite of basic internet philosophy, as per
> Gilmore :
> *"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."*
> which means that the proposal risks undermining citizen/peer actions
>
> intentions are good, but advocacy, support, solidarity seems like a better
> road
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Vint for sharing your point of view.
>> If I may give my two cents, through advocacy is that, in the summit here
>> in nayrobi the community all together wrote the proposal.
>>
>> There needs to be stronger efforts to make internet less
>> country-dependant and more resilient... But these are urgent matters. While
>> we get to that resilient future, we need to support our communities on
>> their decisions regarding their own problematics.
>>
>> I understand that IP address may seem to be a technical thing, but
>> governments are hijacking them into a political standpoint.
>>
>> Instead of making this a specific action, I would suggest that we could
>> work out a regulation that requires IP tenants not to shutdown connectivity
>> as a condition to receive their ranges... Or some sort of agreement on
>> openness.
>>
>> Could it be possible, and would it be useful to tackle this issue? What
>> do you think?
>>
>>
>> On June 3, 2017 4:41:04 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I implied it: advocacy
>>>
>>> v
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What would be your approach on this matter then? I'm curious to know
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On June 3, 2017 4:36:36 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My reaction: politicizing IP address allocation is a mistake and could
>>>>> have enormous, negative consequences including a wide range of
>>>>> fragmentation and legal intimidation of the RIRs.  Advocacy is fine but
>>>>> withholding IP addresses for political reasons is not wise.
>>>>>
>>>>> v
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CFR invited me to write a blog about the recent AFRINIC proposal to
>>>>>> deny IP addresses to governments mandating Internet shutdowns. Might be of
>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cfr.org/article/should-technical-actors-play-pol
>>>>>> itical-role-internet-age
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Corinne J.N. Cath
>>>>>> Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Email: ccath@turing.ac.uk & corinnecath@gmail.com
>>>>>> Twitter: @C_Cath
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