Re: [gaia] Blog on AFRINIC proposal

i think the idea would be to suggest to Jared Cohen that technology along
these lines might be worth pursuing.

I can do that.

v

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:

> Thanks for the reference Vint.
> For what I read in their website https://jigsaw.google.com
> There are no proposals to strengthen crossborder links or circumventing
> shutdowns.
> Any specific pointer?
>
>
> On June 3, 2017 5:12:53 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> finding ways about an attempted shutdown is a good idea - see also JIGSAW
>> at Alphabet.
>>
>> vint
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed... We still have to deal (as a global community) with the urgency
>>> of governments controlling traffic shutting down connectivity. Would be
>>> interesting to be able to share an approach that, in a short or long
>>> timespan, we could walk to find solutions to this situations.
>>> One could be cross boarder links, or border IXPs... But I'm not that
>>> versed in these things to give an opinion
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 3, 2017 4:57:05 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the problem with this proposal is that it enters a slippery slope
>>>> regarding use of the Internet by a party that is responsible for
>>>> connectivity and not content. While the intent is laudable, it would lead
>>>> to the same kinds of messes that ICANN is discovering as a result of the
>>>> semantics associated with domain names. Before any RIR adopts such a
>>>> proposal, I think there should be some discussion among all the RIRs - and,
>>>> frankly, I hope that such efforts as this would be rejected as an overshoot
>>>> of authority.
>>>>
>>>> vint
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Vint for sharing your point of view.
>>>>> If I may give my two cents, through advocacy is that, in the summit
>>>>> here in nayrobi the community all together wrote the proposal.
>>>>>
>>>>> There needs to be stronger efforts to make internet less
>>>>> country-dependant and more resilient... But these are urgent matters. While
>>>>> we get to that resilient future, we need to support our communities on
>>>>> their decisions regarding their own problematics.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that IP address may seem to be a technical thing, but
>>>>> governments are hijacking them into a political standpoint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of making this a specific action, I would suggest that we
>>>>> could work out a regulation that requires IP tenants not to shutdown
>>>>> connectivity as a condition to receive their ranges... Or some sort of
>>>>> agreement on openness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could it be possible, and would it be useful to tackle this issue?
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On June 3, 2017 4:41:04 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I implied it: advocacy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> v
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would be your approach on this matter then? I'm curious to know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On June 3, 2017 4:36:36 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My reaction: politicizing IP address allocation is a mistake and
>>>>>>>> could have enormous, negative consequences including a wide range of
>>>>>>>> fragmentation and legal intimidation of the RIRs.  Advocacy is fine but
>>>>>>>> withholding IP addresses for political reasons is not wise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> v
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CFR invited me to write a blog about the recent AFRINIC proposal
>>>>>>>>> to deny IP addresses to governments mandating Internet shutdowns. Might be
>>>>>>>>> of interest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cfr.org/article/should-technical-actors-play-pol
>>>>>>>>> itical-role-internet-age
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Corinne J.N. Cath
>>>>>>>>> Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath
>>>>>>>>> Email: ccath@turing.ac.uk & corinnecath@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @C_Cath
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