Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF band
Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org> Wed, 18 March 2020 15:21 UTC
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From: Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org>
To: Adam Burns <adamb@free2air.net>, "gaia@irtf.org" <gaia@irtf.org>
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@Adam – I was wondering what might kick-in now that we have these challenges in front of us. I fully expect that it is time for me to study the short-wave course manuals sitting on my work-table 😉 From: gaia <gaia-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of Adam Burns <adamb@free2air.net> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 6:13 AM To: "gaia@irtf.org" <gaia@irtf.org> Subject: Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF band In Berlin late last year, I demonstrated extremely low cost old-school AX.25 Packet Radio connectivity using the open source Direwolf (which effectively acts as a software modem and AX.25 terminal) and Baofeng HF transceivers. A pair of nodes can cost as little as US$100. Details on line soon, but contact me off-list if you need help or further information. Regards, Adam. On 18/03/2020 10:41, Javier Simó wrote: 18 years ago we worked on a HF packet-radio based solution and developed improvements using OFDM newQPSK; getting up to 9600 bits/s. I don't know whether I can find the expert who might resemble all the details, code, etc, but if you feel it could be interesting I can explore that. Best Javier El 18/3/20 a las 4:31, Rafael Diniz escribió: Gracias Luiz! We carried initial tests of this system in Mexico. The raw throughput, in reasonable propagation conditions, is from 500 up to 4k bit/s. In "real world" tropical region NVIS trx with hundreds of kilometers of distance, with packet protocol and ARQ layers in place, the net throughput ranges from 50 to 500 bit/s, depending on many factors. Abrazo, Rafael On 3/17/20 6:23 PM, Luis Martinez wrote: Parabens Rafael ! It is wonderful, we are discussing a project like that in Mexico. Can you share what is the speed you are able to achieve ? Obrigado. Luiz On March 17, 2020 at 1:37:42 PM, Rafael Diniz (rafael@riseup.net<mailto:rafael@riseup.net> <mailto:rafael@riseup.net><mailto:rafael@riseup.net>) wrote: Hi all, Here is the link of our latest developments about HERMES[1]: https://vimeo.com/398331581 Cheers, Rafael Diniz Rhizomatica [1] https://www.rhizomatica.org/hermes/ _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org<mailto:gaia@irtf.org> <mailto:gaia@irtf.org><mailto:gaia@irtf.org> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org<mailto:gaia@irtf.org> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia -- [cid:part10.A476464D.9F1606EB@free2air.net] Francisco Javier Simó Reigadas Profesor, Director de la ETSIT Dept. Teoría de la Señal y Comunic. y Sist. Telemáticos y Computación Universidad Rey Juan Carlos Campus de Fuenlabrada (Madrid), España Teléfono: 91 488 81 67 javier.simo@urjc.es<mailto:javier.simo@urjc.es> | www.urjc.es<http://www.urjc.es> | @URJC | _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org<mailto:gaia@irtf.org> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
- [gaia] Video about community network using HF band Rafael Diniz
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Luis Martinez
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Rafael Diniz
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Javier Simó
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Adam Burns
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Jane Coffin
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Rafael Diniz
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Rafael Diniz
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Rafael Diniz
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Rafael Diniz
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Javier Simó
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Jane Coffin
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Adam Burns
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Rafael Diniz
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Leandro Navarro
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… Luis Martinez
- Re: [gaia] Video about community network using HF… David Johnson