Re: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks. A first question

["Jose Saldana" <[e-mail]>]

Hi, Roger.

This is just the version 00 of a draft. And this is the IRTF, so the opinion of everybody counts. From the very beginning, we have accepted in the draft everyone who wanted to participate. And people participating do know about this. In fact, everyone knows more than me.

We knew that this question was tricky and difficult. In fact, there was not even consensus about it between the authors of the draft. So we decided to send this version to the list and hear everyone.

If you think the answer is NO, and people agree on separating different kinds of networks on different documents, we will do it for sure.


Jose


> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: gaia [mailto:[e-mail]] En nombre de Roger Baig Viñas
> Enviado el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 17:04
> Para: [e-mail]
> Asunto: Re: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks. A first question
> 
> Hi Jose,
> 
> IMHO it's really sad to see that there isn't any Community Network amongst the
> organisations of the authors. Sad because: 1) I'm pretty sure that this lack implies
> missing very important details (for instance, include or not FON model as a CN is
> not questionable by any community member - obviously the answer is _NO_), 2) it's
> a lack of respect towards all CNs member and the amazing work they have done,
> mostly as volunteers, a lack of respect because it looks a clear attempt of
> appropriation of this work.
> 
> Although I haven't had the time to go through all the draft because I have discovered
> the draft just few minutes ago (from your previous post) I have read enough to
> notice serious mistakes, like the mix of Community Networks and Community
> Wireless Networks terms. Thus I kindly suggest you to invite well-known community
> members to review the document before submitting it.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> On 06/18/2014 04:25 PM, Jose Saldana wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > We have a first question. We had some doubts about this: should we include in
> the draft Networks in which Wi-Fi is shared by individuals, but they are in fact
> managed by a company (e.g. FON)?
> >
> >>>    There exist other networks, also based on sharing wireless resources
> >>>    of the users, but not built upon the initiative of the users
> >>>    themselves, nor owned by them.  The characterization of these
> >>>    networks is not the objective of this document.
> >
> > As you may see, in the current version they are not included, but we have some
> doubts...
> >
> > Jose
> >
> >> -----Mensaje original-----
> >> De: gaia [mailto:[e-mail]] En nombre de Jose Saldana
> >> Enviado el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 16:21
> >> Para: [e-mail]
> >> Asunto: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> After some weeks, we have been able to build an Internet Draft about
> >> Community Networks. At this stage we would like to hear the feedback from
> people in the list.
> >>
> >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networ
> >> ks/
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Jose
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>> De: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >>> Enviado
> >>> el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 16:18
> >>> Para: Carlos Rey-Moreno; Leandro Navarro; Carlos Rey-Moreno; Andres
> >>> Arcia- Moret; Marco Zennaro; Arjuna Sathiaseelan; Arjuna
> >>> Sathiaseelan; Bart Braem; Leandro Navarro; Bart Braem; Jose Saldana;
> >>> Ermanno Pietrosemoli; Ermanno Pietrosemoli; Jose Saldana; Marco
> >>> Zennaro; Andres Arcia-Moret
> >>> Asunto: New Version Notification for
> >>> draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-
> >>> 00.txt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A new version of I-D, draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-00.txt
> >>> has been successfully submitted by Jose Saldana and posted to the
> >>> IETF repository.
> >>>
> >>> Name:		draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks
> >>> Revision:	00
> >>> Title:		Community Networks. Definition and taxonomy
> >>> Document date:	2014-06-18
> >>> Group:		Individual Submission
> >>> Pages:		23
> >>> URL:            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-
> >>> networks-00.txt
> >>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-
> >>> networks/
> >>> Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-
> networks-
> >> 00
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Abstract:
> >>>    Several communities have developed initiatives to build large scale,
> >>>    self-organized and decentralized community wireless networks that use
> >>>    wireless technologies (including long distance) due to the reduced
> >>>    cost of using the unlicensed spectrum.  This can be motivated by
> >>>    different causes: Sometimes the reluctance, or the impossibility, of
> >>>    network operators to provide wired and cellular infrastructures to
> >>>    rural/remote areas has motivated the rise of these networks.  Some
> >>>    other times, they are built as a complement and an alternative to
> >>>    wired Internet access.
> >>>
> >>>    These community wireless networks have self sustainable business
> >>>    models that provide more localised communication services as well as
> >>>    providing Internet backhaul support through peering agreements with
> >>>    traditional network operators who see such community led networks as
> >>>    a way to extend their reach to rural/remote areas at lower cost.
> >>>
> >>>    This document defines these networks, summarizes their technological
> >>>    characteristics and classifies them, also talking about their socio-
> >>>    economic sustainability models.
> >>>
> >>>    There exist other networks, also based on sharing wireless resources
> >>>    of the users, but not built upon the initiative of the users
> >>>    themselves, nor owned by them.  The characterization of these
> >>>    networks is not the objective of this document.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> >>> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
> >>>
> >>> The IETF Secretariat
> >>
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