Re: [gaia] What if all phones were always on the Internet?

[Steve Song <[e-mail]>]

Hi Arjuna,

It is already possible, on Android, to turn off background data updates and
to do per-app tuning of background updates and data consumption in
general.  What I would imagine is that when a phone runs out of data and
finds itself in basic rate mode, then it would only update apps/services
that have been actively selected by the user e.g. whatsapp, twitter,
signal, telegram, FB messenger, email, browser, etc. The selectivity about
apps and services would then be in the hands of the consumer not the
provider.

Cheers... Steve


On 26 November 2015 at 21:22, Arjuna Sathiaseelan <
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Very nice Jim.
>
> One problem of giving specific low usage caps in access could be there is
> quite a lot of mobile apps background traffic which randomly consume the
> usage caps?
>
> As i pointed out earlier it will be really interesting to know what can we
> browse/do with today's apps/services over 9.6 kbps..as steve mentioned
> earlier this requires redesigning apps/content - FB is doing that but
> 9.6kbps is really pushing the limit? how would today's transport protocols
> work?
>
> Regards
> On 26 Nov 2015 19:51, "Jim Forster" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I think it’s a great idea!
>>
>> AirJaldi has been recently offering two different pre-paid hot spot
>> systems.  One, called XWF (Express WiFi) is offered in Rishikesh and
>> Garwhal district of Uttrakhand.  Facebook/Internet.org
>> <http://internet.org> did the software for XWF; AirJaldi deployed the
>> access points on our backbone in that district and manages the sales
>> agents.  See this NY Time article
>> <http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/facebook-strives-to-bring-cheap-wi-fi-to-rural-india-2/> for
>> more info.  It is intended that this system will use their Free Basics
>> system to give free access to certain sites.
>>
>> The second pre-paid service AirJaldi has is called JaldiFi. A couple
>> AirJaldi engineers did the software, using various Mikrotik & Ubiquity
>> features.  JaldiFi is deploying in various places throughout AirJaldi’s
>> network, including Kangra Valley, Kumaon, and Jharkand.  JaldiFi does not
>> use Free Basics; instead we simply give registered users 10-20MB/day free
>> service.  Registration is free and automated (users must supply a mobile
>> phone number & then we send them a username/pw).  It’s obvious but worth
>> noting that 10MB is 1/100th of 1GB, so a lot of ‘free’ users don’t impact
>> the network much. It’s our belief that if the service is priced affordably,
>> enough people will pay to make it worth our while.  Pricing is about
>> Rs80/GB (~$1.25/GB), with some plans for as little Rs25.  Kumaon area
>> prices are here <http://www.jaldifi.net/kumaon.html>.
>>
>> Mawingu in Kenya does it a little differently.  For about 300Ksh, users
>> get high speed service for a month, or if they don’t have that much money,
>> they can buy a week’s service for 100Ksh.  Mawingu doesn’t give them
>> completely unlimited service, but we find that the great majority of
>> customers don’t use too much for us; email & web browsing is easily
>> accommodated, but heavy YouTube/video watching eats up the MBs quickly.
>> The heaviest users will find then that their speed slowed way down, to
>> about 128kbps.  That’s fine for email & tolerable for web browsing so
>> they’re not cut off, but if they want more high speed for video, they’ll
>> need to pay some more.
>>
>> US-centric salutation: Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
>>
>>
>>   — Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2015, at 6:36 AM, Steve Song <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Following on some of the previous discussion about the non-linear
>> relationship between Internet speed and value to the consumer; and
>> reflecting on some of the discussions on zero-rating at the IGF; and
>> thinking further about the PAYG model that enabled the dramatic growth of
>> mobile telephony in emerging markets, I came to the conclusion that a
>> low-bitrate, always-on Internet for all mobile phones would benefit
>> everyone.
>>
>> https://manypossibilities.net/2015/11/zero-rating-a-modest-proposal/
>>
>> Would love to have the idea critiqued (gently).
>>
>> Thanks... Steve Song
>>
>>
>>
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