Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi

Hi, just passing by to recap this discussion briefly and Highlight that
this item remains on the agenda
https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/oth/14/02/R14020000010001PDFE.pdf page
58. Now that we are a month apart from WRC would be useful to keep a close
look on this.

Cheers

El mié., 3 oct. 2018 a las 15:32, Steve Song (<stevesong@nsrc.org>)
escribió:

> Thanks Jane!
>
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 13:58, Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Good people of GAIA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Holy Smokes.  The minute the spectrum, Radio Regs (the RRs), and/or World
>> Radio Conference (WRC) agendae are triggered do things get interesting fast
>> 😉
>>
>>
>>
>> I reached out to a colleague who is far more in the weeds from the WRC
>> side… as Niels’ query was interesting from many sides for me…
>>
>> Here is the response I received and note the accompanying doc…Take this
>> as you will, but note that the WRC Agenda is the guiding agenda for the WRC
>> which amends a treaty – the Radio Regulations (RRs mentioned above).
>>
>>
>>
>> “When you say "6GHz WiFi" it would be useful to be specific about what
>> frequency range [is] being considered.  WiFi is an application in the
>> mobile service, so it may not be utilized in bands that do not have a
>> Mobile Service allocation.  Additionally, for those bands with a mobile
>> service allocation in this range, the use of RLANs is guided by (WRC)
>> Resolution 229 (see attached), which was adopted by the WRC-03 and revised
>> by the WRC-12.   As some companies want to expand the use of WiFi in this
>> range,  WRC-19 has an item on its agenda (AI 1.16), which deals with
>> wireless access systems (RLANS) between 5150 - 5925 MHz, which is as
>> follows:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.16    to consider issues related to wireless access systems, including
>> radio local area networks (WAS/RLAN), in the frequency bands between 5 150
>> MHz and 5 925 MHz, and take the appropriate regulatory actions, including
>> additional spectrum allocations to the mobile service, in accordance with
>> Resolution 239 [COM6/22] (WRC 15);
>>
>>
>>
>> The bands allocated to the mobile service between 5150 - 5925 MHz, as
>> well as bands above that range, are also allocated to a number of other
>> services on a co-primary basis. You should be aware that there is strong
>> evidence (i.e. from spectrum monitoring) that shows that the current use of
>> WiFi in this band is causing serious interference into the other services.
>> So, the future expanded use is probably going to be a hotly debated issue
>> at the WRC-19.”
>>
>
> I love this wording:  "strong evidence (i.e. from spectrum monitoring)
> that shows that the current use of WiFi in this band is causing serious
> interference into the other services"
>
> I would be tempted to re-phrase this to more accurately say that there is
> "strong evidence that show that the current use of WiFi in this band is
> causing serious connectivity and also causing serious 'interference' with
> the comfortable oligopoly enjoyed by incumbent operators"
>
> Clearly it should be stopped.  Seriously.
> :-P
>
> Cheers... Steve
>
> P.S. tongue only partly in cheek
>
>
>>
>>
>> See attached WRC Res. 229.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jane
>>
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>> *From: *gaia <gaia-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of Steve Song <
>> stevesong@nsrc.org>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 9:52 AM
>> *To: *"gaia@irtf.org" <gaia@irtf.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Largely driven by the US and actively supported by chipset manufacturers
>> like Broadcom, Intel, Hewlett-Packard and others as well as Facebook.
>> There is work going on in Europe as well but a year or two behind where
>> things are in the US.  I am attaching the details of a current study
>> underway.  Worth noting that while the US Is looking from 5.9GHz up to
>> 7GHz, the European study is only 5..9GHz to 6.4GHz.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think this is on the agenda for WRC19.  My guess is that
>> countries like the US will drive forward this this, manufacturers will jump
>> on board and other countries will follow suit with the ITU/WRC ratifying
>> things post facto some time in the mid 2020's
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a standard that is likely to be backed by any organisation that
>> want to delivery high definition streaming content.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers... Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 10:10, Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Niels -
>>
>> Each country regulates at the national level within the parameters they
>> set, bounded by the radio regulations in some part, but driven by national
>> implementation and market, reg/pol, and other conditions.
>>
>> We have seen some countries pushing back on the concept of unlicensed,
>> license-free anything.
>>
>> So, I do not think this is a ubiquitous issue driven by ITU-R for a
>> number of reasons.  Likely a result of congestion in other bands.
>> But, I can ask some colleagues if this was something that the last WRC
>> agenda set?
>> Or, do others know?
>>
>> Best,
>> Jane
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> On 10/3/18, 3:20 AM, "gaia on behalf of Niels ten Oever" <
>> gaia-bounces@irtf.org on behalf of lists@digitaldissidents.org> wrote:
>>
>>     Is this a unilateral plan, or is this something that is also in the
>>     works in the ITU-R ?
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Niels
>>
>>     On 10/03/2018 07:01 AM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan wrote:
>>     > /FCC will ‘propose new rules’ allowing Wi-Fi devices to operate in
>> the 6
>>     > GHz band/
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>> https://wifinowevents.com/news-and-blog/a-new-era-in-wi-fi-fcc-fast-tracks-wi-fi-in-6-ghz-band/amp/
>>     > <
>> https://wifinowevents.com/news-and-blog/a-new-era-in-wi-fi-fcc-fast-tracks-wi-fi-in-6-ghz-band/amp/
>> >
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