Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: growing?
Jon Crowcroft <Jon.Crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk> Tue, 01 March 2016 09:17 UTC
Return-Path: <Jon.Crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>
X-Original-To: gaia@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gaia@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977191B2DE4 for <gaia@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 01:17:22 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.206
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.206 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vz2W_pYfDyEm for <gaia@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 01:17:20 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk (mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.25.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D25B1B2A05 for <gaia@irtf.org>; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 01:17:20 -0800 (PST)
Received: from sandy.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.64.182]) by mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <Jon.Crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>) id 1aagJv-0004a4-CT; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:10:19 +0000
From: Jon Crowcroft <Jon.Crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>
To: Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no>
In-reply-to: <91D39E62-3B55-4C5C-82B0-67459551CA19@ifi.uio.no>
References: <32116_1456700693_56D37D15_32116_453_1_CF23F499-41D1-4DA6-A306-8924DC4F4DB4@ifi.uio.no> <41954A84-EFF0-4107-9859-E60AAC65285C@aalto.fi> <56F64461-28A0-4E5E-9923-D177B663EFB7@ifi.uio.no> <F1EC90A5-46B0-4E88-9ECD-205A70A85DD5@aalto.fi> <91D39E62-3B55-4C5C-82B0-67459551CA19@ifi.uio.no>
Comments: In-reply-to Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no> message dated "Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:26:15 +0100."
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-ID: <19691.1456823832.1@sandy.cl.cam.ac.uk>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:17:12 +0000
Message-Id: <E1aagJv-0004a4-CT@mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk>
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gaia/h7opMuS3P403ZTxPaTI-rsjfQRY>
Cc: "gaia@irtf.org" <gaia@irtf.org>, Manner Jukka <jukka.manner@aalto.fi>
Subject: Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: growing?
X-BeenThere: gaia@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Global Access to the Internet for All <gaia.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/gaia>, <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gaia/>
List-Post: <mailto:gaia@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia>, <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:17:22 -0000
so there's all sorts of weird new access tech, like there's two zigbee nets in my house alone, plus community mesh - what do people measure on those? Most the hard work in last few years has been on pay-per-use nets or broadband tech of the legacy (adsl, cable modem, and cellular data) - but i guess the question here is what are the weird and wonderful lashups occuring out of cheap & cheerful, as well as the ever onwards march to fiber to the eye+ear, no? > > On 29. feb. 2016, at 10.11, Manner Jukka <jukka.manner@aalto.fi> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I donât have a published analysis to cite, have done similar > comparisons many times in various presentations. I could run that > distribution from the Netradar database for 2014 and 2015, just need to > give me the X buckets where to allocate the samples. > > NetRadar data would definitely be nice as a data point! About buckets, > not sure I get it: I mean e.g. a CDF of bandwidth values that were seen > overall in 2014 and 2015; that would show if there is a shift not only > towards higher bandwidths but if the diversity als increases, I guess. > > If you need to have buckets to query, I guess it can be any reasonable > low / high bandwidth values⦠the question is, do the low bandwidths > disappear as quickly as the higher ones pop up? > > > > Market analysis is a bit trickier, since measurements need to be mapped > to a region somehow. IP address is one option if it can be trusted enough. > > *I* donât actually care about markets much. I just wonder what range of > bandwidths network protocols need to be able to operate over⦠is it > always the same range or is the range growing (as I suspect)? > > Cheers, > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > gaia mailing list > gaia@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia >
- [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: growing? Michael Welzl
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Manner Jukka
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Michael Welzl
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Manner Jukka
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Eric A. BREWER
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Steve Song
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Michael Welzl
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… achilles.petras
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Michael Welzl
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Michael Welzl
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [gaia] FW: Heterogeneity in network capacity:… Mirjam Kuehne
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Michael Welzl
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Mirjam Kuehne
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Nick Feamster
- Re: [gaia] Heterogeneity in network capacity: gro… Jane Coffin
- Re: [gaia] FW: Heterogeneity in network capacity:… Steven G. Huter
- Re: [gaia] FW: Heterogeneity in network capacity:… Richard Dent