Re: [gaia] Current version of the Alternative Networks draft
"Jose Saldana" <jsaldana@unizar.es> Mon, 25 April 2016 16:05 UTC
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From: Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es>
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Subject: Re: [gaia] Current version of the Alternative Networks draft
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Hi, Panayotis, First of all, thank you very much! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: gaia [mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org] En nombre de panayotis antoniadis > Enviado el: lunes, 25 de abril de 2016 2:42 > Para: Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es> > CC: gaia@irtf.org > Asunto: Re: [gaia] Current version of the Alternative Networks draft > > > Dear Jose, all > > Here is the first part of my proposal for the improvement of the draft, up to the end > of Section 4 (classification criteria), trying to minimize the suggested changes. Thanks again! > > I will send the second part a little later depending on how the first part will be > received :-) > > > > Abstract > > > This document presents a taxonomy of a set of "Alternative Network > > Deployments" emerged in the last decade with the aim of bringing > > Internet connectivity to people. > > "or of providing a local communication infrastructure to serve various > complementary needs and objectives" Ok. > > [If the draft would include alternative networks with other objectives than providing > Internet access this should be reflected in the abstract.] > > > topologies different from those of mainstream networks, and rely on > > alternative business models. > I would say "alternative business *and governance* models" Ok. > > > > 1. Introduction > > > This term > > includes a set of network access models that have emerged in the last > > decade with the aim of providing Internet connection, following > > topological, architectural and business models that differ from the > > so-called "mainstream" ones, > again, I would add "governance" models > Ok. > > > > o Users in mainstream networks do not participate in the network > > design, deployment, operation and maintenance. > > same here: add "governance" Ok > > > > > > 2. Terms used in this document > > > > This document follows a multidisciplinary approach, considering the > > multidisciplinary nature of the Internet and the problems being > > addressed. Therefore, some concepts used in fields and disciplines > > different from networking are being used. > > I would replace the above with the following [I don't think that it > "follows a multidisciplinary approach" since there are not other > disciplines really represented in the whole approach other than > the clarification of the terminology]: > > "Considering the central role that the Internet plays today in almost > every aspect of our lives, this document touches on complex social, > political, and economic issues. Some of the concepts and terminology > used have been the subject of study of various disciplines outside the > field of networking, and responsible for long debates whose resolution > is out of the scope of this document. " It sounds much better! Thanks. I would only modify a bit the first sentence, in order to sound... a bit less "enthusiastic": Considering the role that the Internet currently plays in everyday life, this document (...) > > > > > > > 4.1. Commercial model / promoter > The "commercial model" does not sound like a classification variable > and the list below is not a list of "commercial models" but different > actors involved. The term "promoter" is also very vague. I would > call this category simply "actors involved" I agree that "Commercial model" can be removed, as we don't talk about it. However, I see a difficulty if we call it "actors involved": in Section 5.4 we also talk about the "elements involved", which includes the actors (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments -04#section-5.4). What we wanted to express in this category is who is "the entity behind the network," i.e. the organization that promotes it. Can we use "developer"? I must confess I like "promoter", but it can be discussed. > > > > > The entity (or entities) or individuals promoting an Alternative > > Network can be: > > > > o A community of users. > > > > o A public stakeholder. > > > > o A private company. > > > > o Supporters of a crowdshared approach. > > > > o A community that already owns some infrastructure shares it with > > an operator, which uses it for backhauling purposes. > > > > o A research or academic entity. > > > > The commercial model may have different implications regarding the > > ownership of the network equipment. In some cases, each of the users > > of the community maintains the ownership over the equipment they have > > contributed, whereas in others there is an entity who owns the > > equipment, or at least a part of it. > > I would replace the above with the following: > > "The above actors could play different roles in the design, financing, > deployment, > governance, and promotion of an alternative network. For example, > each of the members of a community network maintains the ownership over the > equipment they have contributed, whereas in others there is a single entity, > e.g., a private company who owns the equipment, or at least a part of it." Ok. Perfect. > > > > Let us discuss about 4.2. in another thread (to separate different questions). > > 4.2. Goals and motivation (...) Text moved to another thread. > > Best, > > Panayotis. > > Thanks a lot! Jose PS: If you agree, I would add your name in the acknowledgements section > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gaia mailing list > gaia@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
- [gaia] Current version of the Alternative Network… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Current version of the Alternative Net… panayotis antoniadis
- Re: [gaia] Current version of the Alternative Net… Francesco Amorosa
- Re: [gaia] Current version of the Alternative Net… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Current version of the Alternative Net… Jose Saldana