Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments-02

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Hello

I don't like the word "complementary" for two reasons:

1) Something is complementary when there is no competition. But, why 
not? I don't see why a community network cannot be deployed even if it 
is somehow in competition with a "traditional" existing network deployed 
by an operator.

2) The word "alternative" was used focusing on a number of criteria, not 
only on the non-existance of a traditional network.

I vote "alternative".

Best regards

Javier


El 12/12/15 a las 17:03, jsaldana escribió:
>
> Hi, Arjuna and all,
>
> In my opinion, in order to clarify if "Alternative network" = 
> "Complementary network", we should answer two questions:
>
> A) Are all "Alternative networks" also "Complementary networks"?
>
> In the draft we are considering five kinds of networks:
>
> 1 Community Networks
> 2 Wireless Internet Service Providers WISPs
> 3 Shared infrastructure model
> 4 Crowdshared approaches, led by the people and third party stakeholders
> 5 Testbeds for research purposes
>
> In the case of 4, it is clear that they are a "complement," since they 
> share the infrastructure and may reduce the CAPEX of the operator.
>
> In the case of 1, they may become a "complement". Is this currently 
> happening?
>
> I don't think that WISPs (2) usually share their infrastructure with 
> traditional operators. Am I right?
>
> B) Are all "Complementary networks" also "Alternative networks"?
>
> I think for example in the Wi-Fi network of an airport. This network 
> can be considered as "complementary", because it may be used to 
> offload data from the mobile network. But it is not "alternative" (it 
> is not included in the draft), because it may be promoted by a 
> traditional operator (not by the people), etc.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jose
>
> El 2015-12-12 13:45, Arjuna Sathiaseelan escribió:
>
>> Thanks Mat.
>> I have been recently discussing with Roger from Guifi about whether 
>> community networks should be termed as Alternative Networks or should 
>> it be called Complimentary Networks considering that community 
>> networks could end up sharing infrastructure with network operators 
>> who could see this as a great opportunity to access the last mile 
>> without a CAPEX.
>> So is Alternative Networks the right terminology or should we have 
>> Complimentary Networks?
>> Regards
>>
>> On 1 December 2015 at 16:28, Mat Ford <ford@isoc.org 
>> <mailto:ford@isoc.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Folks,
>>
>>     I think it’s time we tried to conclude our work on
>>     draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Jose detailed
>>     the changes in the most recent update when he announced the
>>     update to the list, so I won’t repeat those here. I have not seen
>>     any further discussion.
>>
>>     If you have any concerns or further comments regarding the
>>     content of this document, please raise them on this mailing list
>>     by Tuesday December 15th. I hope to initiate IRSG review of the
>>     document immediately thereafter.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Mat
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